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March 5th, 2014 09:00

NDMP Configuration - Avamar

Hello All,

I would like to understand how to configure a NDMP backup in Avamar.

And also about the NDMP accelerator, Configuration, How to Register to the avamar Grid

Regards,

Vamsi

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March 5th, 2014 09:00

Hello,

Please go through following guide, I hope you will get most of the answers for your questions from this.

https://support.emc.com/docu48234_Avamar-7.0-NDMP-Accelerator-User-Guide.pdf?language=en_US

Regards,

Pawan

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March 6th, 2014 20:00

Hey Vamsi,

Yes. You can follow Avamar 7.0 NDMP Accelerator User Guide, the link posted as above.

This guide describes how to install and configure the Avamar NDMP Accelerator, and how to back up and restore data on supported EMC VNX and EMC storage systems and NetApp filers.

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March 12th, 2014 04:00

Hello All,

Thank you very much for your all suggestions. It helped me alot.

Can you please also help in NDMP migration procedure. In our environment NDMP backups were configured in GEN 2 hardware. Now we are planning to migrate to the NDMP backup to a new grid.

Can you please help me how to perform that.

Just giving an hint, We have many more client also in Gen 2 grid, All I have migrated to new grid using client manager from enterprise manager.

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April 14th, 2015 08:00

This guide doesn't seem to have any instructions for registering the Isilon NDMP node with the avamar. For example, there would be no way to install the RPM onto this node as it's running OneFS 7, not linux. Is there some sort of isi command to register it?

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April 14th, 2015 11:00

You won't be able to install the Avamar client software on the Isilon NDMP node, as you've discovered.  Basically, all of the NDMP configuration for your environment will occur on the Avamar NDMP accelerator.

First and foremost, have a look at the User Guide mentioned above.  Starting on Page 22, at Step 4, that's where you set the Avamar NDMP accelerator settings need (do Steps 4 through 6).  After setting the privileges needed for the NDMP account on the Isilon cluster, you're done.  You don't install the RHEL package RPMs, you skip to page 25.  If you have not yet registered and configured the Avamar NDMP accelerator (connected it to your Avamar grid, etc.), then  run avsetupndmp. If you already have and just wish to register the Isilon NDMP accelerator, then run avregister and start at Step 9 on Page 26.  Once the Isilon NDMP accelerator is registered, you stop at Step 16, or continue to register other accelerators.

Let us know if that helps!

Karl

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April 16th, 2015 07:00

So wait, I need an Avamar NDMP accelerator AND  the Isilon NDMP accelerator? How can that be? That seems pretty silly. So am I to understand that I need to either build another box, say a VM or discreet server with an OS (Rhel or whatever), install the NDMP accelerator package on it, register that before; OR i need to buy another appliance for my avamar units called an NDMP accelerator, install them in my datacenters adjacent to my avamar nodes, and register those before I can back up my isilon with avamar?

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April 16th, 2015 08:00

You were refering to an Isilon NDMP Node in your message, which I took to me an Isilon NDMP accelerator.  When I configured my clusters, we had purchased one, so I was assumed you had as well.

But, no, an Isilon NDMP accelerator is not required.  You can configure the Avamar NDMP accelerator to backup the Isilon cluster without having an Isilon NDMP acceleator.  Just follow the steps as outlined above, using the IP/hostname of the Isilon nodes.  Again, you do not have to install any software on the Isilon nodes themselves - I pointed that out in my steps above.  Let me know if that helps!

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April 16th, 2015 08:00

I'm not sure about what's required on the Isilon side but backing up supported NDMP devices using Avamar requires an Avamar NDMP accelerator node. There are two configurations available for physical NDMP accelerator nodes (small and large) and virtual accelerators are supported by RPQ. These nodes use the standard Avamar OS image.

The NDMP accelerator node should be adjacent to the data source rather than the Avamar system. Much more data flows from the data source to the accelerator than flows from the accelerator to the Avamar.

Edit: If you plan to use a virtual accelerator node, please contact your account team as they can file the request for product qualification (RPQ) on your behalf.

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April 16th, 2015 09:00

I reviewed the Isilon documentation. Based on what I found there, if you are planning to back up the Isilon system exclusively with Avamar, you should work with the VAR and / or EMC to replace your Isilon NDMP Accelerator with an Avamar NDMP Accelerator node. The Isilon NDMP accelerator node appears to be specifically intended for tape environments.

An Avamar NDMP accelerator node (either physical or virtual) is required to perform NDMP backups to Avamar.

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April 16th, 2015 09:00

Yes, I have an Isilon NDMP Node. But I seem to be unable to make it talk to my avamar. We have no Avamar Branded NDMP Accelerator. I've managed to get my Isilon NDMP Node added to my avamar without having the Avamar NDMP Accelerator, and it's "activated". I've created the NDMP account and Browse account as per the document earlier in the thread and added that information to the Avamar configuration for the Isilon "client", yet when I try to do an on-demand backup, avamar tells me "this account is not configured for browsing" even though I've done all the things listed in the document above.

So, do I need the Avamar NDMP accelerator or not? If I do, then that's crazy. Why must I Have 2 additional pieces of equipment to enable 2 EMC devices to talk to each other using a protocol (NDMP) both pieces should do natively?

I'm pulling my hair out here and EMC doesn't particularly seem interested in helping me in a timely fashion. And our VAR is basically passing the buck to EMC.

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April 16th, 2015 10:00

For the most part, the problem is with this sentence:

" enable 2 EMC devices to talk to each other using a protocol (NDMP) both pieces should do natively "

Unfortunately, the Avamar grid does not do NDMP natively.  It depends on the Avamar NDMP accelerator to handle the communication on TCP port 10000 for NDMP data streams (metadata and data streams).  EMC did not provide any NDMP functionality with Avamar until they added the NDMP accelerator to it.  As a former Celerra/VNX customer, moving workloads to Isilon, we opted for an Isilon NDMP accelerator to connect to an FC tape library relocated to the data center with the Isilon nodes, since the library was already being used with another backup software.  It was easier to get Isilon working with the other product, and we kept the Avamar NDMP accelerator for backing up the Celerra, since we have many more requests for daily restores from the Celerra via Avamar.

The Avamar NDMP accelerator handles the NDMP operations handled within the Avamar GUI and CLI - without it, I'm not convinced you'll make it work effectively.  As Ian states, I think you'll need your VAR and EMC to get an Avamar NDMP accelerator in house to make all the pieces work.

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May 26th, 2016 16:00

Hello Karl,

Why or What for should we open TCP port 10004 for Avamar NDMP accelerator? I can find TCP port 10000 but 10004 as the requirement. What for is the TCP port 10004? And where did you get the information that to open TCP port 10004 is required?

Best regards,

Hiroki

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May 27th, 2016 10:00

Sorry - that was an error.  Only TCP 10000 is needed for data communications.  NDMP can allocate dynamic TCP ports, which removes the need to allow ports other than TCP 10000.

Hope that helps!

Karl

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October 31st, 2016 07:00

Late answer but I think I can clarify the terminology & what each of the "accellerators" does.

1) Isilon NDMP accelerator.  This is a dedicated, diskless Isilon node that has a fibre channel card for talking to tape drives.  It is NOT strictly required for NDMP.   If your backup system can do 3-way [1] NDMP, this allows you to integrate the Isilon so it can talk directly to the tape drives.

I use an Isilon NDMP accelerator with Veritas Netbackup.  I am sure they would work with Networker also.

It's an "accelerator" because it moves data directly from Isilon to tape, instead of sending it over the network to the backup server, which will then write it to (tape or whatever). 

2) Avamar NDMP accelerator.  I only know this in theory, but I think it's correct.  This is an appliance that serves as an integration point between an NDMP client system and Avamar.  If you want to back up an NDMP client to an Avamar, you need this. 

I believe it works completely over TCP/IP, no Fibre channel involved.

I don't really think "accelerator" is a good term.  It doesn't make NDMP faster, it makes it work at all.  I suppose zero to whatever is acceleration. 

3) to use Isilon with Avamar, you don't strictly need the Isilon accelerator node, and in fact you might not want it at all.  Any Isilon node can be a networked NDMP client.  And I think the Isilon accelerator is limited to 1G networking - presumably you'd want a node with 10G. 

You would probably want to do performance testing to see how much load the NDMP process puts on the client node.  If it's bad, you might consider removing that node from file sharing duties.

4) why is it this way when both isilon & avamar are EMC products?  Because they aren't directly integrated with one another.  They each can speak industry standard NDMP, and that's how you integrate the two.

[1] Maybe it's actually 2-way? I don't really understand the NDMP terminology.  It has always been counterintuitive.

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