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January 9th, 2012 10:00

Dell Optiplex 755 USFF upgrade to E8400?

Greetings!

I have a Dell Optiplex 755 USFF that I would like to upgrade. According to some techspecs that I found on the Dell site this particular flavor of 755 can support up to an E6850 (65nm). I would like to use the E8400 Wolfdale ( its' 45nm counterpart with the same clock and fsb, but more cache) since I believe it will also run cooler in the small confines of the USFF case. Although not officially supported on the techspec list I found, I see that on both the Dell Financial Services Site and the Dell Auction Site this same configuration is offered in multiple units with the E8400 installed. Can I take this as a confirmation that it would be OK to upgrade to the E8400 in the Opti 755 USFF? Thanks!

PS I already have the E8400 in another mobo so it is not a matter of which to get, only on whether I can use the E8400 in the 755 USFF. If I cannot use the E8400 then I will just keep the current cpu in place, but I'd really like to upgrade using the E8400 if it is possible. The mobo currently has the A11 Bios.

7 Technologist

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January 9th, 2012 11:00

The E8400 is supported by the Q35 chipset on the 755, which isn't always enough alone to make it work, but together with the facts that 1) the E8400 was launched about 6 months after the processors on the documented "supported" list, and presumably after that doc was published, and 2) systems are configured out there with that CPU would lead me to say that the E8400 will work in the 755.

www.dell.com/.../opti_755_techspecs.pdf

The latest BIOS version is A21, and while none of them from A12-A21 mention anything about CPU support ... if you have any problems, that would be the first thing to look at, as some undocumented support may have been added.

7 Technologist

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January 9th, 2012 11:00

The only harm in trying the swap is damaging some internal part during the swap.  There is no harm in trying the processor at BIOS version A11 - the worst that will happen is your system won't POST (black screen, etc.) until you do update it (provided there is even undocumented code addressing processor compatibility), or change it back.  Of course, under warranty, there's no harm in updating the BIOS either, in the extremely unlikely event that the BIOS flash goes bad.

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January 21st, 2013 10:00

Yes, the BIOS will work on all of the flavors of 755 Desktop, Mini Tower, USFF, SFF, etc... I think when you were searching by your Service Tag, it was only giving the "Recommended" updates for your system, not updates that may have been Optional, such as the BIOS's greater than A19

8 Wizard

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January 21st, 2013 10:00

Yes, the BIOS will work on all of the flavors of 755 Desktop, Mini Tower, USFF, SFF, etc... I think when you were searching by your Service Tag, it was only giving the "Recommended" updates for your system, not updates that may have been Optional, such as the BIOS's greater than A19

The drivers area has been hozed for quite some time.

A22 is the latest bios been out a few weeks.

There is no such thing as USFF version of the bios.  The bios is for all models.

http://downloads-us.dell.com/FOLDER01133147M/1/O755-A22.exe

 1/3/2013 9:40 PM 2247144 O755-A22.exe

8 Wizard

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January 9th, 2012 11:00

The 755 uses the intel® Q35 express Chipset

Q6xxx series)

Spec says so at Intel so With the correct Bios I would say Yes no problem.

Processor Type - Intel® Core™ 2 Quad - 1066MHz FSB, LGA 775, 8MB L2 cache,

Intel® VT, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology, Intel® 64 and Execute Disable Bit (Q6xxx series)
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo - 1333MHz FSB, LGA 775, 4MB L2 cache, Intel® vPro™ Technology, Intel® VT, Intel® TXT, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology, Intel® 64 and Execute Disable Bit (E6x50 series)

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo - 800MHz FSB, LGA 775, 2MB L2 cache, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology, Intel® 64 and Execute Disable Bit (E4000 series)
Intel® Pentium®- 800MHz FSB, LGA 775, 1MB L2 cache, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology, Intel® 64 and Execute Disable Bit (E2000 series)
Intel® Celeron®- 800MHz FSB, LGA 775, 512MB L2 cache, Intel® 64 and Execute Disable Bit Chipset Intel® Q35 Express Chipset (ICH9DO)

Intel® Q35 Express Chipset with 82801IDO I/O Controller Hub (ICH9DO)

Compatible Processors

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January 9th, 2012 15:00

Many many thanks 'flash for the quick responses today and your help. FYI the unit is currently running a Xeon3070 with no issues and it isn't on the official Dell compatibility list either--but since it is a twin to the E6700 I didn't have as much hesitation with that swap as I did jumping from 65nm Conroe down to 45nm Wolfdale.

Also thanks Speedstep for the elaboration on the Q35 chipset, I knew it would support the cpu but as is known sometimes OEM vendors modify their bioses so I asked to see if anyone knew firsthand if Dell had "dampened" the compatibility for system stability reasons in the USFF version.

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January 20th, 2013 19:00

Just to be clear, the power supply for the USFF is 220 W according to the tech specs chart, not 150W.  

I am running the latest BIOS which is A22, so that should not be a problem at all.  

Also, the E8400 is essentially the same thing as the E6850, just with the 45 nm process instead of the 65 nm.  So the power consumption should be the same, and the power should not be an issue.  The real issue in question is whether or not Dell  has added support for the 45 nm Core 2 Duos in their BIOS, because they are supported natively on the chipset by Intel.

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January 20th, 2013 19:00

I am just wondering if you ever tried this processor and if so, what were your findings on your USFF machine?

8 Wizard

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January 20th, 2013 19:00

The power supply for the  USFF is 150W not 270W so for many processors I would say the answer is not clear.

NOT UPDATING BIOS TO A21 could be a real issue.

130W processors Are not going to work in a USFF with 150W power supply,

 

E8400

Lithography
45 nm
65 W
0.8500V-1.3625V

 

E6850 is ok.

Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6850
(4M Cache, 3.00 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

Lithography
65 nm
Max TDP
65 W
VID Voltage Range
0.8500V-1.5V

The QX8200 May not work due to

CPUID   010677h

Core stepping   M1

I also think the 130W and 150W cpu's would require a Tower with Greater than

305W power supply AND the Copper heatpipe heatsink.

These are the Quads we validated -

N652J 3.00GHz YorkfieldQuad Core Q9650, 12MB Q9650

CPUID 01067Ah
Core stepping E0
Manufacturing technology (micron) 0.045
Number of cores 4
L2 cache size (MB) 
12
Features EM64T technology 
Enhanced SpeedStep technology 
Execute disable bit 
Extended Halt state
Extended Stop Grant state
Thermal Monitor 2
Trusted Execution technology
Virtualization technology
Core voltage (V) 
0.85 - 1.3625

F886J 2.83GHz Yorkfield Quad Core Q9550 12MB, 1333FSB, E0

N650J 2.66GHz Yorkfield Quad Core Q9400, 6MB, 1333FSB, R0

MP627 2.66GHz Kentsfield Quad Core Q6700, 8MB, 1066FSB, G0

Dell recommends applying this update during your next scheduled update cycle. The update contains feature enhancements or changes that will help keep your system software current and compatible with other system modules (firmware, BIOS, drivers and software).

UPDATING the bios must be done BEFORE trying another cpu.

Dell Dell Device
Release Date: 12/22/2011
Version: A21
Importance: Recommended
Download Type: BIOS
File Format: Non-Packaged
File Size: 2MB

O755-A21.exe

SLB5M

SLG9S

CPUIDs 10677 (SLB5M)
1067A (SLG9S)
Manufacturing process 0.045 micron

V core  0.85V - 1.3625V

CPUs, related to Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200  

Model Cores /
Threads
Freq. L2
cache
TDP Features
Intel Core 2 Quad family, Socket 775
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9500 4 / 4 2.83 GHz 6 MB 95 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9505 4 / 4 2.83 GHz 6 MB 95 Watt SSE4, VT, TXT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9505S 4 / 4 2.83 GHz 6 MB 65 Watt SSE4, VT, TXT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450S 4 / 4 2.66 GHz 12 MB 65 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 4 / 4 2.66 GHz 12 MB 95 Watt SSE4, VT, TXT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 4 / 4 2.83 GHz 12 MB 95 Watt SSE4, VT, TXT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550S 4 / 4 2.83 GHz 12 MB 65 Watt SSE4, VT, TXT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9700 4 / 4 3.16 GHz 6 MB 95 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9705 4 / 4 3.16 GHz 6 MB 95 Watt SSE4, VT, TXT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 4 / 4 3 GHz 12 MB 95 Watt SSE4, VT, TXT, ESS

CPUs, related to Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650  

Model Cores /
Threads
Freq. L2
cache
Multi-
processing
TDP Features
Intel Core 2 Extreme family, Socket 775
   Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2 / 2 2.93 GHz 4 MB 1 75 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 4 / 4 2.66 GHz 8 MB 1 130 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 4 / 4 2.93 GHz 8 MB 1 130 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 4 / 4 3 GHz 8 MB 1 130 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
   Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 4 / 4 3.2 GHz 12 MB 1 136 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS
Intel Core 2 Extreme family, Core micro-architecture, Other sockets
   Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9775 4 / 4 3.2 GHz 12 MB 2 150 Watt SSE4, VT, ESS

8 Wizard

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January 20th, 2013 23:00

"Just to be clear, the power supply for the USFF is 220 W according to the tech specs chart, not 150W"

The external Brick is not the same as the power rating for the INTERNAL MOTHERBOARD VRM's

This is also why the Quads are Not listed as compatable with the USFF.

This is not to say that it wont work. I dont know fer shuure cuz I aint got one.

HOWEVER this is also not a Guarantee that it DOES work.

Without Updating the Bios to A21 it is highly LIKELY that it will not post OR it will simply state unsupported processor and either HALT or make you Press F1 to continue Each and every time.

29 Posts

January 21st, 2013 10:00

??? I didn't make this up. When I go to support and look for downloads, it filters results based on my service tag. That gives me filtered results based on my particular service tag (USFF) and this is copypasta from that resultant page.

"Dell OptiPlex 755 System BIOS

OptiPlex 755 System BIOS

Release Date: 6/30/2011

Importance: Recommended

Version: A19 See Previous Versions

The following formats are available for the file you have selected

File Format: Windows/DOS Get Driver Download File

Add To My Download List Add to My Download List

File Name:

O755-A19.exe

Description: This file format consists of a BIOS executable file. The Universal (Windows/MS DOS) format can be used to install from Windows XP, Windows 2000, NT, Windows 9X, Windows ME or a MS DOS environment.

Download Type: HTTP

File Size: 2MB"

Now, if it is true and supported that any 755 bios will work on any flavor 755 from desktop >>> USSF, I will go ahead and reflash to the latest supported compatible bios. Who knows, that may fix my USB issues as well... let me know!

8 Wizard

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January 21st, 2013 10:00

Not sure why you made up that.  

There is only 1 BIOS for ALL Models not a separate Bios for USFF.

BIOS - BIOS

Description Importance Version Released Supported OS Download
DELL,DSK PROG,BIOS,OPTI-755,,A21
OptiPlex 755 System BIOS
Recommended A21 12/23/2011 BIOS

A22 is Very New

Dell OPTIPLEX 755 SYSTEM BIOS
Dell OptiPlex 755 System BIOS A22  Release Date:1/4/2013
http://downloads-us.dell.com/FOLDER01133147M/1/O755-A22.exe
Versions
A22 1/4/2013 3:40:11 AM
A21 12/22/2011 6:12:00 PM
A19 6/30/2011 3:47:09 AM
A17 4/8/2010 12:26:35 AM
A16 1/20/2010 3:49:22 PM
A15 9/17/2009 10:58:37 PM
A14 6/24/2009 4:59:20 AM
A13 3/6/2009 4:01:14 AM
A11 9/25/2008 9:30:14 PM
A10 6/20/2008 10:57:15 AM
A09 3/27/2008 1:01:56 AM
A08 2/21/2008 9:31:12 PM
A04 11/6/2007 2:14:43 PM
A03 10/9/2007 1:20:55 PM
A01 9/7/2007 9:11:50 AM


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January 21st, 2013 10:00

avibber56, I didn't end up installing it and  ended up having a mobo replacement due to the YROD, luckily it happened before my warranty ran out. I was too apprehensive to attempt to install the E8400 just in case it would damage the replacement. mobo, but it has been running with the Xeon ever since, abeit with USB issues. I have seen many Optiplex 755 USSF units for sale on ebay with the E8400 installed though so I'm thinking that they will work, I just lost the initiative to install it. I also have a Q9450 but even if the mobo will support it I don't think the limited stock cooling will keep it stable, it would probably overheat in those small quarters with that stock hs/f.

You are posting about a USSF but the Dell site only shows a bios for the USFF up to A19, so if you are using the A21 or A22, are you using SFF bios instead of the USSF?

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January 21st, 2013 10:00

Also, would there be a model difference in which I should choose between the models of:

SLAPL (C0)

SLB9J (E0)

14 Posts

January 21st, 2013 10:00

I think I am just going to bite the bullet and order the E8400.  If it doesn't work, I can just simply send it back and then get the E6850.  And I am indeed using the A22 on the USFF, its the newest.

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