Jrage
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Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

This will by my first time upgrading a computer and I desperately want to upgrade my Dell XPS 8500 to the EVGA GTX 970.

My two questions are: will the card work (I haven't seen anyone saying it will or wont), and what power supply should I upgrade too?

Thanks a ton for any help you can provide guys. 

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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

I wouldn't get anything less than a corsair  CS750 or TX750

There is absolutely a secure boot issue so it must be done via CSM Legacy mode.

 


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Jrage
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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

Hey thanks for the reply speedstep. when you say anything less are you suggesting I should have more than 750  W? 

Also is the secure boot issue a problem with the graphics card? I saw a tread talking about problems with the GTX 970 on the XPS 8700, but it seemed like they were saying after a few hoops it works? 

I guess more pointedly will the GTX 970 card work perfectly after this issue, or should I be looking for a different card?

Thanks a bunch for any suggestions and help!

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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

I just did this without any issues.  Worked on the first try.

These were the parts:

  • Updated my XPS 8500 Motherboard Bios to version "A12" while waiting for my parts to arrive
  • EVGA NVIDIA GTX 970 Superclocked Graphics Card (EVGA 04G-1972-KR)
  • EVGA SuperNOVA 750B1 750W Power Supply (PSU) (110-B1-0750-VR)

Putting a new Powersupply into a Dell XPS 8500 is a bit of a trick.   All ATX Power Supplies have about the same Height and width  (150mm or 5.09" wide)  and (86mm or 3.38" high).    The problem is the Depth.   How deep into your PC can it reach  (extending towards the back side of your CD/DVD).   Don't forget, you have that tiny sunken  USB/Headphone jack thing midway.

I did some measurements, and realized that the MAX PSU depth that would work would be about 165mm or about 6.5".     That's tricky because I wanted a 750w plus power supply, and its REALLY, REALLY hard to find a good power supply under with less than (180mm / 7.09").   And, that wouldn't fit.

I scoured the internet and looked at the specs of every decent brand of 80+ certified PSU's for something with 750w that could be crammed into my case.  I looked at Antec, Cool Master, and every model on Newegg with 750w+ and at least a bronze rating.

Almost ALL EVGA PSU's are long, but there is one  (and only one) that is about 165mm.    The Supernova 750B1 (110-B1-0750-VR) is the only one.  I suspect that it's "BRONZE" rating (slightly less than gold) means that it can be more innefficient and doesn't need quite the heatsink that a GOld or Platinum PSU needs.   It's a perfectly good PSU, so who cares?   It can fit.


I won't say it was EASY to get in there.  I had to disconnect all my SATA power and cables.  I had to bend the cables on the ATX Case Top a little bit, and I had to be very patient reconnecting.   Long story short, though... it fit.   And , it booted on the first try with no drivers. 

I'd downloaded the GeForce drivers before switching out my hard ware, so I uninstalled the Radeon and put in the Geforce stuff. 

All in all -- it worked.  The card extends about 2-4" further into the case, but it fits.  The PSU sits about 4" away from the back of the CD, but it fits.   And, it boots.


Anyway... if anyone else is thinking of trying... it can be done.   Look for a PSU that is 165mm or less.   150mm would be ideal.   If you are patient and have done a few builds before  (say intermediate level), it will fit in there. 

Hope that helps!

RSPAREDESC
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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

Hello Andrew.

I want to get the same model of evga gtx970 that you installed.

So, could you tell me please what is the date ot the BIOS A12 that you got?

And, can you upload a picture of your system (inside of course)?

Thank you ver y much for your comments.

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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

The bios was just the one that came up with my service tag:

Dell XPS 8500 / Vostro 470 System BIOS
A12.EXE
Release date 29 Oct 2013
Last Updated 31 Oct 2013
Version A12

As I said early, I was on A09, but A12 is cumulative and takes you all the way (incorporating all the versions in between).

Here is what it looks like.  Those are my middle "Three Fingers" to give you and idea of how much space is left with the PSU.

I just finished playing "Far Cry 4" on the Nvidia setting at 2560x1080.   The new setting (beyond Ultimate) showed up after I plugged in the card.  I've also been playing Assassins Creed Unity  (Which I picked as my free game with the card -- since I already had Far Cry 4).   Both seem to play 60fps without any issues.

Hope that helps.   Total cost was around 435.  349 for the card and 69 for the psu (plus tax).

RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

Oh.  If you are wondering about that weird brace to the right of the  PSU...   I added a 3rd hard drive below the CD Drive.  There are only the "Front mounting holes"  so I got a little creative and straightened out one of the "Empty PCI Slot Plates" from an old ATX Case.   I straightened out the "L" and it as the perfect length to attach as a cross brace to hold the hard drive in place.

I also want to reiterate why you MUST only get a PSU that is 165mm or less in depth.   There is a TIGHT fit between the PSU and the cords from the top port of the XPS 8500.      Only THIS ONE VERSION of the EVGA ports is 165mm.  All the rest are 180mm and would not fit.

I sifted though the specs of over 200 PSU's to find something 700w with less than a 165mm depth.

I only came up with 5, and I went the EVGA because it was the cheapest (and the same brand as the video card). 

Here is the short list (if you are curious):

  • EVGA SuperNOVA 750B1 $69.99
  • RAIDMAX RX-1000AE 1000W $119.99
  • SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W $139.99
  • CORSAIR AX series AX760 $159.99
  • Coolmax 1200W ZPG-1200B $282.35

RSPAREDESC
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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

Thank you very much for your availability and your comments. The information you provide to us is very useful.

As I make my adjustments, I will comment on the matter.

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HanoverB
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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

Oh.  If you are wondering about that weird brace to the right of the  PSU...   I added a 3rd hard drive below the CD Drive.  There are only the "Front mounting holes"  so I got a little creative and straightened out one of the "Empty PCI Slot Plates" from an old ATX Case.   I straightened out the "L" and it as the perfect length to attach as a cross brace to hold the hard drive in place.

I also want to reiterate why you MUST only get a PSU that is 165mm or less in depth.   There is a TIGHT fit between the PSU and the cords from the top port of the XPS 8500.      Only THIS ONE VERSION of the EVGA ports is 165mm.  All the rest are 180mm and would not fit.

I sifted though the specs of over 200 PSU's to find something 700w with less than a 165mm depth.

I only came up with 5, and I went the EVGA because it was the cheapest (and the same brand as the video card). 

Here is the short list (if you are curious):

  • EVGA SuperNOVA 750B1 $69.99
  • RAIDMAX RX-1000AE 1000W $119.99
  • SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W $139.99
  • CORSAIR AX series AX760 $159.99
  • Coolmax 1200W ZPG-1200B $282.35

Great info Andrew....can you please post all this info and awesome pictures about your install on the XPS 8500 Graphics cards thread to help others so this doesn't get shuffled back into the forum?


Thanks

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3515/t/19474677?pi21953=16

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RE: Dell XPS 8500 will the EVGA GTX 970 work and what PSU should I get?

I moved a consolidated copy of the post over to that side.   I also added a bunch of tags so folks might find it.

I posted my information here because it was the top search result on Google for the keywords I kept trying to use myself. 

I hope the info helps some folks.   I tried to include everything I needed  to know (or had to find out) before I started. 

Kindest Regards,

Andrew

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