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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

 

A Radeon HD 4650 AGP card would be my Recommendation.

They are in the $99 to $130 range.

550W power supply recommended.

 


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rdunnill
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

380 watts with my quad-core and 5770.

I just ordered a 450-watt Cooler Master for $33 for use with a new build.

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PaulDL
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

Greetings,

I just went through a hunt for a 'value' based video upgrade for a Dell Dimension 4600 (two of them actually) and decided on the VisionTek Radeon HD3650 AGP.  I purchased 4gb RAM and a 550W PSU for each also.  After hours of no success and searching the web for a clue, I came across this at a VisionTek forum:

"Unfortunately, there are no workaround available for the 3650 AGP to work with the older Dell systems. The only option I would recommend is to use a PCI card instead as some of the newer PCI cards are faster than the older AGP cards. The older Dell systems are limited in its capabilities including its BIOS."

Posted 25 January, 2011, by Site Admin.

Link:  http://forum.visiontek.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6944

I have read postings were people have success with this card in a 4600, which influenced my decision to buy them.  But when I couldn't get it to work and did more research, I found that most everyone was like me, and there was no clear discriminator as to why these few people could get it to work.  The overwhelming majority of people cannot get it to work.

Bottom line - do not take a chance with the VisionTek Radeon HD 3650 AGP in a Dell Dimension 4600. It's probably great for other models, but not the Dimension 4600.

Can anybody confirm that the HD 4650 AGP card will definitely work in a Deminsion 4600?

Thanks in advance.

 

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rdunnill
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

If you buy one from Newegg and it does not work, you can RMA it for an 85% refund.

I'm guessing the it will work, but you will need the "hotfix" drivers and the card's onboard audio device will not work due to AGP limitations.

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PaulDL
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

For anyone who may know the answer...

I just read on another post:

"Started research online as to what could be the problem. We stumbled upon the
review on amzon.  It seems the old Intel 865G motherboard that is present in the Dell Dimension 4600 does not understand the new DDR3 cards (or DDR2). The next morning we called the technical support for HIS and they confirmed the same."

That other post was:

"I, on the other hand, found out specifically what the problem was from the HIS tech support. The tech guy said that this is a problem they are aware of and it is very common among the Radeon 4thousand series on motherboards that are 2 years or more older. The reason for this is that the mobo cannot recognize the DDR3 because the manufacturer did not anticipate this."

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

rdunnill
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

It doesn't make sense; the chipset shouldn't care about what memory is used on the video card.

A customer on Newegg is reporting that this 4650-based card is working well in a 4600.

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PaulDL
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

I got the 4650 working in my 4600 Dells.  Long answer shortly.

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PaulDL
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

I want to share that I got 2 Radeon HD 4650 AGP (x8) 1 GB DDR2 cards working in our Dell Dimension 4600i computers.
I wanted new AGP video/graphics cards for my kids’ Dell 4600i P4 computers running XP SP3.  For every person that reports a problem, there are far less that reports success, and it’s even harder to find ‘why’ some were successful.  So I did my research.  I was prepared for any complications I might run into…. or so I thought. It began with picking what I hoped would be the right card.
The System (2 of them): Dell Dimension 4600i, P4 2.67 GHz, MOBO 0F4491, processor F29, chipset 865, Bus 533 MHz, BIOS A12.
Upgraded the PSU to an Ultra 550 Watt ATX model (tight fit, but it has PCI-E and SATA connectors in addition to all the legacy ones), and I maxed out the memory to 4 GB DDR that runs at 333 MHz.  In the end, the only thing different in my BIOS is now the Primary Video Controller is AGP (vice Auto), and AGP Aperture is now set to 256 Mb (vice 128).  I was replacing the stock NVidea 5200 128 MB AGP card.
I initially bought 2 Radeon HD 3650 AGP cards.  Install one card, power up, click click, beep beep, all stop.  Multiple times.  Sometimes the computer would boot, but no matter what I tried, I could not get a signal to the monitor – just black.  I tinkered with BIOS and did other things, but no luck. Then while trying to troubleshoot the problem, I saw on a vendor's website a forum where others were having the same problem as me, and the SysAdmin said that apparently that card just won’t work in an older Dell.  That post was in late January, and I bought those cards in early February.  I just missed it.  But other older Dell owners had said they got it to work!  I could not determine what made the difference, so I returned the cards and started my search again.  I then saw two posts where people said HIS techs told them older AGP computers could not use newer AGP cards that used DDR2 and DDR3 memory because the Dell 865 chipset system/MOBO could not understand them.  But other posts indicated otherwise.  So I looked on….
Another card that Dell 4600 owners had success with was the Radeon HD 4650.  So I bought 2 Sapphire 4650s from NewEgg. Downloaded the latest HotFix for XP32 dated 15Feb11.  Removed all the old drivers, installed the card, power up, no clicks or beeps, but no signal. Swap out the card with the old one, checked some things, saw nothing wrong, tried again, and this time I had a screen.  Can’t say why it didn’t work the first time. Installed the latest HotFix with no problem, restart, BSOD! "IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL".  If it wasn’t that one, it was a BSOD STOP on "ati2mtag.sys" – a file installed with the HotFix.  I tried everything I could read on-line or come up with myself.  No luck.  Deleted all ATI products manually, used DriverSweeper, and CCleaner before each attempt using different version, installing just the display drivers (and many different ways), but always BSOD.  But one person  (system unknown) did state he could not get anything to work except the accompanying CD.  So I tried it and IT WORKED!  It even has the ati2mtag.sys file also.  It’s Catalyst 9.8, and Sapphire’s website lists it at the bottom with a date of Aug 2009.  But even though the display adapter is showing a date of July 2009, some files list in CCC are as recent as November 2010, and several are July 2010.  So even though the Catalyst Control Center and the adapter driver are older, the other stuff is not so old.  As such, I don’t feel so bad that I’m not using a ‘current’ driver.  I have peace-of-mind finally after 2 days this time around.
 The CD included with the card is “Driver Ver: 13-008, P/N 0400F-71507.”   And the card comes with DVI-to-VGA and DVI-to-HDMI converters and S-Video cable.  The card requires a 6-pin (PCI-E) power source, but it comes with a 4-pin to 6-pin cable converter (i.e., tap onto a HDD power connector).  Sapphire still recommends a 400 PSU with 75 watts for the PCI-E source.  Some have said the card is ‘light’ on power needs and are using their old PSU, but I wanted less complications and the Ultra 550s I bought were less than $50 each when I got them.  And we already had DVI/Digital capable monitors.
 If you have a Dell 4600i like me, I recommend this card and using the CD unless you are truly certain you can get a recent 'HotFix' update to work.  Just uninstall all files related to your old video card, Safe Boot (F8) and use ‘DriverSweeper’ to be sure, restart and go with the CD installation.  I used the ‘Custom’ install option and only chose Display Driver, DirectX, and the Catalyst Control Center (I had .NET >2.0 already so didn’t select it, and it appears ATI AVIVO is installed regardless with CCC).  And just ignore the ‘Logo’ warning and continue.  It installs OpenGL instead of OpenCL, but I don’t know of anything using OpenCL yet anyway.  And this took only minutes compared to the 2 days I spent failing to get the 11-2 HotFix installed and working.  And now my daughter says W.O.W. is now totally WOW.
 Total costs for the complete upgrade:
$    79.99 Sapphire Radeon HD 4650 1 GB DDR2 AGP card
$ 119.96 for 4 x 1 GB DDR SDRAM (4 GB total – didn’t want to mix old and new)
$    44.99 for Ultra 550 Watt PSU
$  244.94 for total upgrade cost (x 2 for two systems = $490)
 Some would argue $250 is right up there enough to justify a whole new MOBO & Quad Core CPU w/ DDR3 memory, or bundled kit like TigerDirect offers.  And I considered it, but most respectable bargain MOBOs with a future don’t support IDE (or just 1 device only) nor support USB 3.0 yet…. PCI-E and SATA only.  So then it would be replacing other devices and pricing just kept creeping up.  So I think this upgrade was reasonable and has value for a few more years to come.  And maybe Windows 7 will even make it better.  But I'll wait until I have a few days to spare to take that upgrade on....

rdunnill
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

 Some would argue $250 is right up there enough to justify a whole new MOBO & Quad Core CPU w/ DDR3 memory, or bundled kit like TigerDirect offers.  And I considered it, but most respectable bargain MOBOs with a future don’t support IDE (or just 1 device only) nor support USB 3.0 yet…. PCI-E and SATA only.  So then it would be replacing other devices and pricing just kept creeping up.  So I think this upgrade was reasonable and has value for a few more years to come.  And maybe Windows 7 will even make it better.  But I'll wait until I have a few days to spare to take that upgrade on....

I'd sooner have a Core2 Duo with DDR3 than an old P4, USB3 or not. It's a LOT more future-proofed than an old AGP machine.

All the budget boards I've bought have at least one IDE port, which will support two devices. That should be enough more most older PCs; in the case of one with multiple hard drives, it's easy enough to invest $40 in a 500gb SATA and clone them over or buy a $15 IDE card that will support them.

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chucks228
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Re: Help with Dimension 4600 graphics card upgrade

 Hi,

im also trying to do some research on the video cards, i also have a dell dimension 4600, i have a agp slot, but it only has 2 slots, and i been looking at video cards and some have 2 slots some have 3, then my question is, does this matters, cus i read earlier messages and they say any agp card would work with this mobo, 

thanks, please suggest a video  card for this mobo, i cant seem to find one online, i dont need it for gaming. thanks

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