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June 20th, 2011 18:00

Processor Upgrade Question

I have a Dell Dimension 2400 that I've been upgrading recently.  I want to upgrade the processor to the one that is a Pentium 4 @ 3.06 GHz with 512kb of cache, a 533 MHz FSB and hyperthreading.  I've managed to find it (I looked at some other posts and people were having trouble) and I installed it.  However, it won't work.  I get an orange power light.  The BIOS version is A03.  From the posts I read, this version is supposed to support this processor.  I was wondering if that's a typo, and I need BIOS version A05, or if I need to do something else.  I'd rather not update BIOS, as it requires Floppy Disks, but I will if that's the problem.

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June 20th, 2011 21:00

Incompatibility with the BIOS version would not normally bring you to an orange light on the power button.  I would expect instead that the computer would halt at some point during the attempt to boot and give you an error message.  I think you have a problem with the processor, and you might want to make sure the computer still works with the original processor.

With regard to BIOS upgrade; what you have stated, that a floppy drive is required for the update to version A05, was true more than two years ago.  Since that time, however, Dell has posted a new version of the "unpackaged" update file that will run in Windows.  I tried it myself on my daughter's Dimension 2400 just a month ago, and the update worked fine.  You might want to perform the update in Windows safe mode, however, to minimize the stuff that gets loaded so you will help avoid interference from some random driver file.

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June 20th, 2011 22:00

Well, from my previous experience with upgrading my Vostro 200's processor, I got an orange light on the power button and it WAS from BIOS incompatibility.  I had that issue twice with that machine (Finally got it fixed though).  The computer does work just fine with the other processor in it.  The place I got the processor from is pretty good on replacing stuff, even if it was used.  I'll check down there for another one.  As far as the BIOS issue, I hadn't seen the "unpackaged" version.  It didn't give me an option when I downloaded it.  When I ran it, it said that I needed to insert a floppy disk, which is where I got the idea that I needed a floppy.

What question I do have is, did the BIOS version A03 support the 3.06 GHz 512kb Cache 533MHz Pentium 4 processor?  Do I even need to update to version A05?  If the processor will work on version A03, I don't see a reason to update.  And just wondering if someone could point me to the BIOS release notes.  I'm interested to see what they added in A05.

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June 21st, 2011 00:00

The unpackaged or "Non-Packaged" version of the Dimension 2400 BIOS version A05 update is here:  Dimension 2400 BIOS ver A05.

The enhancement notes for this version follow:

The following changes have been made to BIOS rev A04 to create A05:

1. Improve splash screen logo positioning.
2. Prevent loss of audio on power-up or after S3 resume.
3. If AC lost during S3 standby, don't attempt S3 resume when AC restored.

As you can see, the modifications were made to behavior during S3 resume and a minor mod to the logo position as the computer is booted.  Version A04 of this BIOS was never released.  Version A03 had a number of updates, to include later versions of the P4 processor, but you already have that.

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June 21st, 2011 01:00

So it looks like I probably just got a bad processor.  And I'm not gonna update the BIOS.

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June 21st, 2011 01:00

The Dimension 2400 didn't come with multiple motherboards, did it?  I ask because the Vostro 200 came with a different motherboard depending on if you bought a Quad Core processor or a Dual Core processor.  The Dual Core processor motherboard couldn't use Quad Cores, but the Quad Core motherboard could use Quad Core and Dual Core processors.  Seems like it might be a similar issue.  Hyperthreading board vs Non-Hyperthreading board.

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June 21st, 2011 01:00

Looks kinda pointless to update the BIOS, is what I meant.

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June 21st, 2011 12:00

To my knowledge, there was only one motherboard for the Dimension 2400.  Unlike the newer multi-core processors, the P4s didn't have varying requirements for the voltage regulator.  Hyper-threading support was provided in the BIOS code beginning with A03, but the choice doesn't show up unless the installed processor is capable of HT.  Also, the default for this feature is Off.

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June 23rd, 2011 23:00

I had one last question.  I installed some DDR 400 RAM, and everything works just fine, it boots up and works normally.  However, when I checked the BIOS (Because of other things), I noticed that the RAM was running at 333 MHz instead of 400, like it should.  Do you know what's going on, and if it can be fixed?  It's not really a big deal if it's not fixed, as I said, everything works fine.  But it is annoying...

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June 24th, 2011 12:00

Actually, I just updated the BIOS to version A05 successfully.  I went to the store where I got the P4 w/ HT and they tried pretty much every P4 w/ HT they had, and none worked.  Any idea what's causing the problem?

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June 24th, 2011 23:00

For the memory speed question, the rated speed of the module is a capability, but the actual speed is determined by the processor and main board configuration.  The maximum speed on a Dimension 2400 is 333 MHz.

With regard to HT, it must be enabled before it shows up on a benchmark or in the Windows task manager.  When you installed the HT capable processor (and there is only one that is capable in the Dimension 2400) you need to go to system setup and look in the processor info for the Hyper Threading switch.

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June 25th, 2011 11:00

The machine wouldn't even post with the HT processor installed.  I couldn't get to BIOS.  And which HT processor is capable in the 2400?  Is it the one I have (P4 3.06GHz, 512kb cache, 533MHz FSB)?

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June 25th, 2011 17:00

Yes, that sounds correct.  The Dimension 2400 will only accept Northwood P4s having a 512 KB cache and it will also support a 533 MHz FSB.

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June 26th, 2011 21:00

So, there shouldn't be any reason why it wouldn't work.  Do you have any idea why it's not?  Do I need to change any settings in the BIOS before installing the P4 w/ HT?

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June 26th, 2011 22:00

As I mentioned in earlier posts, when the BIOS recognizes that an HT capable processor is present, an option is presented in the processor part of the system setup page allowing you to turn on HT.  It doesn't happen automatically.

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June 30th, 2011 16:00

AGAIN, I can't GET to BIOS.  I can't even turn on the HT in the BIOS if I can't get the machine to pass the Power-On-Self-Test.  I was asking why it wouldn't POST.

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