OCMusicJunkie
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So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

I've been working on my 570 X2 270 since it first arrived- it quickly snowballed from a RAM upgrade to a full-fledged project to occupy my spare time. I've since added the following:

AMD Athlon II X3 455 CPU
Artic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Dynatron P985 Heatsink
CoolerMaster Extreme Power Plus 500w PSU
Antec Cyclone PCI Exhaust
XFX Radeon HD 4670 Graphics Card
Vantec Themoflow 92mm Case Fan
Sloted PCI Covers
Remote Thermometer (display unit shows both the inside air temp and external air temp of the tower)
OCCT Software (monitor system temps so he doesn't fry anything)

After all upgraded hardware was added, the system was restored back to original factory form via recovery partition, the drivers added one by one, and files moved back as needed from my external drive.

The thing ran like a dream for a couple of days. It tallied a score of 1269 overall benchmark using the Passmark Performance Test software, which scored it 798 prior to the upgrades. I was a happy camper and just needed to add my SSD as cash and time allowed to be done.

Well, I noticed things lagging a bit and reran the performance test. All areas were still even across the board, except I'd dropped from 598 in 2D graphics to under 250. I recalbrated things over and over using CCC- I even overclocked the GPU by abound 10%. Nada.

I've since realized I have the budget to buy a better card and return this one- any card under $100 on Amazon would be perfect, as I'd just have it overnighted for $4. I want to know what I should be looking at with my setup however- I feel like the 2D display being so poor in comparison to other areas probably has to do with a less than optimal selection of GPU. I don't game- I do watch and edit video, high resolution photographs, and work with large Publisher and Indesign files.

What would people here suggest (please give an actual amazon.com link) as the best graphics card I can get for the $100 or under range? Also, am I overlooking any other part of the system I might have a bottleneck due to?

Thanks so much!

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OCMusicJunkie
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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

Sorry guys, I know this was a length question. I reallu need to figure out what to do though. My benchmark scores are all stable across the board, except my graphics are so erratic in range that I've ran multiple tests that rated my 2D score above 600, but dropped my 3D score to as low as 140 from the high of 313. I've tried everything in CCC to improve the issue with mixed luck. Is there a better program to control the settings with?

Also, the card could be running hot- is having the case fan installed as an intake with the PCI exhaust a good idea, or should both be pushing air out? RIght now the air temps inside the case run 4c-6c above ambient room temperature. Right now for example, it's 23c at my desk, and 28c inside my tower. The CPU's are at  23c core temp and GPU at 46c core.

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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

No problem pushing air in the front and pulling out the back.

1GB GDDR5 version of Radeon 6670 would be better than GDDR3 4670.

ASUS EAH6670DIS1GD5

AMD Radeon HD 6670 1024MB GDDR5

EAH6670DIS1GD5 AMD Radeon HD 6670 1024MB GDDR5 PCIe 2.1 x16 Video Card ASUS EAH6670DIS1GD5 AMD Radeon HD 6670 1024MB GDDR5 PCIe 2.1 x16 Video Card

ATI Radeon™ HD 4600 Series GPU Specifications 

  • 514 million transistors on 55nm fabrication process
  • PCI Express 2.0 x16 bus interface
  • GDDR3/DDR3/DDR2 memory interface (depending on model)
  • Microsoft® DirectX® 10.1 support
    • Shader Model 4.1
    • 32-bit floating point texture filtering
    • Indexed cube map arrays
    • Independent blend modes per render target
    • Pixel coverage sample masking
    • Read/write multi-sample surfaces with shaders
    • Gather4 texture fetching
  • Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture
    • 320 stream processing units

AMD Radeon™ HD 6670 GPU Feature Summary

  • 800 MHz engine clock
  • 512MB-1GB GDDR5 memory
  • 1000 MHz memory clock (4.0 Gbps GDDR5)
  • 64 GB/s memory bandwidth
  • 768 GFLOPS Single Precision compute power
  • TeraScale 2 Unified Processing Architecture
    • 480 Stream Processing Units
    • 24 Texture Units
    • 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units
    • 8 Color ROP Units
  • 128-bit GDDR5 memory interface
  • PCI Express 2.1 x16 bus interface
  • DirectX® 11 support
    • Shader Model 5.0
    • DirectCompute 11
    • Programmable hardware tessellation unit
    • Accelerated multi-threading
    • HDR texture compression
    • Order-independent transparency
  • OpenGL 4.1 support


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OCMusicJunkie
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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

Thanks for the suggestion- the specs on that thing look awesome and the price is right there too. It makes the spec sheet on my current HD4670 look like they are for a netbook. I only wonder if the X3 processor and factory speed hard disk will let me pull the full benefit from the HD6670 card? If it wasn't for the unreliable card in place now, I'd be tempted to wait a week or so until I have my OS and primary programs running via SSD. But, I can't get over my OCD with having a clunking desktop sit here while I use my laptop to work at a snail's pace for the meanwhile.

Oh yes, about the fans- the intake is mounted in back, where it replaced the factory fan. I haven't found a good place to mount an internal intake that isn't designated for a fan already. So, I have lots of venting around the case, air pulled in up top toward the heatsink, and pushed out via the PCI exhaust. I know it's upside-down on the thermal dynamics, but I am working with what I could find readily available and confirmed to fit/function with the computer....

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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

I am back from work and will spend some time here, investigating your problems, next post will follow.

Inspiron 570 remastered in Cooler Master HAF 912 case

6 intake and exhaust 120 mm FANS <> Phenom II x4 965 BE OC to 4.0GHz <> Cooler Master Hyper 612 <> MSI 660 2GB OC <> 180 GB Intel 520 SSD, 1TB Seagate Barracuda 64 MB Cache HDD for Games as extension of SSD, 500 GB WD Caviar Blue HDD as data and 160 GB WD as backup (through PCI SATA card) <> 8 GB Corsair DDR3 1333 <>Hitachi GH70N DVD <> Corsair GS 600 PSU <> Battlefield 3 60 FPS on ULTRA

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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

First, in relation to Video Card, no offense, SpeedStep recommended Asus 6670, it is a good card for the ORIGINAL DELL PSU OF ONLY 300 watt, you have already 500 watt, do you want to waste your PSU upgrade? First you have to decide how much money you want to spend and which duties your card must perform, is it for general things, like HD movies, Photoshop and alike, or you planning to play games like Crysis and Battlefield 3? Which performance is the most important to you image rendering 2D or 3D, etc.

When choosing Video card, you have to consider MSI suggestions (which are applicable generally for all manufacturers) "minimum power requirements using a PSU with a single +12V rail" so you get what your PSU can handle. Also, as you noticed, heat is the ISSUE in Inspiron 570. I am still struggling with it despite this monster cooling you see below

It is got better, but I am not completely satisfied.

Back to you. You have to take a look at Video Card temperatures comparison, it is useful, that is why I have MSI 550 TI Cyclone OC, there is also MSI R6850 Cyclone PE/OC version of this card with identical cooler. Your PSU CoolerMaster Extreme Power Plus 500w PSU has 2 rales with 18 A each, I am not sure what exactly you can do with 2 rales (can you combine them into 1), the best would be posting in MSI forum - they are quick to answer and very helpful, I recommend doing so. But again, placing 6670 probably is waste to your PSU.

Now ventilation. I would ask SpeedStep, did you place intake fan in the front? I tried, and will keep trying. The problem - 80mm fan cannot fit (to the inside of the front panel), I have 70mm from old parts with which I am playing now, will see, it probably will require to drill Dell case for fan screws. Is there is the way to place 120mm fan and bolt it to the case somehow?

My numbers for comparison. I just now run a few tests. Using Passmark Performance Test: idle outside 19 C (it is cold here unusually) GPU 26C, 2D 351.8 at 29C, 3D 1940.9 at 45C, CPU 4467.6 at 41C. I also run AIDA64 full registered version, however there is evaluation version as well, but I don't know if it will run GPU stress test. So, AIDA64 GPU stress test for 25 minutes - GPU T reached 55C with fan speed 61% and 2700 RPM, when I played Crysis 2 for 2 hours non stop my GPU T was at 56 C, not higher. After all stress tests GPU idle T is 40C.

Little question to you. What Remote Thermometer you used? I cannot find one?

Also, if you decide to ask more questions regarding Video Card or cooling, please use the same post - it is difficult to find at times, Dell forum search doesn't show fresh posts, only starting with about 1 week old, and scrolling through the posts is boring.

Inspiron 570 remastered in Cooler Master HAF 912 case

6 intake and exhaust 120 mm FANS <> Phenom II x4 965 BE OC to 4.0GHz <> Cooler Master Hyper 612 <> MSI 660 2GB OC <> 180 GB Intel 520 SSD, 1TB Seagate Barracuda 64 MB Cache HDD for Games as extension of SSD, 500 GB WD Caviar Blue HDD as data and 160 GB WD as backup (through PCI SATA card) <> 8 GB Corsair DDR3 1333 <>Hitachi GH70N DVD <> Corsair GS 600 PSU <> Battlefield 3 60 FPS on ULTRA

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OCMusicJunkie
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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/xfxvsstockgraphics.jpg/I appreciate the detailed response and photo of your cooling rig- I'll get to a full response to that soon. Right now though I just had to post this because it really has me baffled. I shut down the computer and turned it back on after a few hours of use- the screen wouldn't display a thing. I plugged the VGA cable back into the original port and got a picture just fine. I think that somehow the XFX card overheated and burned out, or was just defective.

Then the good part. I reran the performance test with the integrated graphics instead of the XFX Radeon. The results below show that 2D graphics were virtually identical; only the 3D area suffered (and by a lot, but that's beside the point).

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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

Whoops- forgot the screen shot.

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kisianik
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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

OK, I placed 2 70mm intake fans from inside, see below:

Front view -look at bolts, upper right mesh and lower left mesh

Inside view - AVC fan is lower one

And all this for nothing, I run IntelBurn maximum stress test (as before) and I did not see any improvement, the only thing I noticed that temperatures were dropping faster after test was stopped. GPU testing shown improvement by 1 degree, what a joke! Thanks God I did not purchased any of those fans - all come from old parts bin...

Have troubles inserting images grrr

Inspiron 570 remastered in Cooler Master HAF 912 case

6 intake and exhaust 120 mm FANS <> Phenom II x4 965 BE OC to 4.0GHz <> Cooler Master Hyper 612 <> MSI 660 2GB OC <> 180 GB Intel 520 SSD, 1TB Seagate Barracuda 64 MB Cache HDD for Games as extension of SSD, 500 GB WD Caviar Blue HDD as data and 160 GB WD as backup (through PCI SATA card) <> 8 GB Corsair DDR3 1333 <>Hitachi GH70N DVD <> Corsair GS 600 PSU <> Battlefield 3 60 FPS on ULTRA

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Re: So close to finishing my Inspiron 570 build, but need Graphics Card help...

Fans are passive cooling.  Unless you are going to run the box in an industrial freezer at 30 degrees I wouldn't expect much of a difference with such tiny fans.


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