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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

U3 Drives are not standard drives.  This is not a Dell issue.

Thanks for the old info on U3. I am well aware of that problem. Unfortunately that well-documented, well-known U3 issue has absolutely nothing to do with the XPS8700's front USB issue being reported in this forum. The front USB port issue occurs with non-U3 (SanDisk) devices - actually it occurs with any device that "should be" engaging the Windows "USB Device Detection" & "USB Device Removal" features. So - No disrespect, but this is very much a Dell issue - whether it be Dell's fault directly or the fault of their supplier for the front USB subcomponent & and associated Windows driver(s) - ultimately this "Bug" is obviously and wholly Dell's issue.
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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

RockStar, bad choice of Flash Drives here. I had 2 handy and chose the U3 (which I don't use on W8, just the 'other drive letter').

Here is the same info from a USB 2.0 PNY 8GB flash drive:

So now that it is a STANDARD USB 2.0 Flash drive, does this help determine THIS is a problem?

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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

Yes I have tried all suggestions with no success. I cannot PM you so here is my service tag (BZMGJ02)
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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

The devices you are plugging into the front port demand too much power. 100 Ma Mice and Keyboards work fine.

The dialog box you are posting looks like malware and not from Microsoft or Dell.

USBSAFELYREMOVE Evaluation Version is not Dell Software and Not Supported Here or at Microsoft. USB Safely Remove is an unauthorized buggy replacement for the Microsoft Windows safe removal tool.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182176

 

Connecting your USB external device into a non-powered USB hub on the front port can cause a lack of enough power to operate the device. Instead, plug it into a powered hub.

This will also cause "A driver for this device has been disabled.  An alternate driver may be providing this functionality. (Code 32)". 

One can also try deleting all the USB Mass Storage controllers in Device Manager and reboot to rebuild them.

Dell does not support Sandisk or PNY etc.

 

 


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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

The devices you are plugging into the front port demand too much power. 100 Ma Mice and Keyboards work fine.

If this were completely correct and true, the connected storage device would simply not work properly - but it does, except for Windows device connection detection and removal management. As I previously stated in my earlier post, Windows Explorer can be used to access the storage device - transfer files to and from the device - all without encountering any transfer errors or data corruption. Also - This issue occurs no matter what type of "storage oriented device" is connected to either of the two Front USB ports. For example, using an externally powered "Seagate Expansion 2TB Desktop External Hard Drive USB 3.0 (modelSTBV2000100)" gives the exact same "No Detect - No Safe Remove" results. Your persistence on this matter causes me to question your actual knowledge on this particular (XPS-8700) model's Front USB port issues - Are you yourself actually using one (or more) of this particular model Dell (XPS-8700) computer? - And if so, please state for us what (brand & model) storage device does work correctly (for you) with (your) XPS-8700's Front USB ports...
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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

Connecting your USB external device into a non-powered USB hub on the front port can cause a lack of enough power to operate the device. Instead, plug it into a powered hub.

Then PLEASE explain why these VERY SAME devices operate properly (shows in Safely Remove h/w and puts up the dialog box asking what you want to do with the device?) when plugged into the READ USB 3.0 ports?

Why does USB 3.0 devices work properly in the front 2 USB 3.0 ports but NOT USB 2.0?

I have numerous USB 2.0 flashdrives at my disposal. ALL, everyone of them exhibit the same problem when plugged into the front USB 3.0 port. ALL are useable in ALL USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports, it is ONLY the front 2 USB 3.0 ports that exhibit the problem.

I have 3 USB 2.0 External POWERED drives. Same goes for ALL of them, usable in ALL ports, but in the FRONT 2 USB 3.0 ports they exhibit the SAME problem as the flashdrives.

I have ONE USB 3.0 External Drive, and it works fine on ALL ports.

Why are you trying to tell us that we don't have a problem? Have you read the entire thread? How could X number of people have the same problem yet it isn't a problem?

I have an XPS8500 my wife uses with both USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports. I supposed you are not interested in these SAME devices working OK on the machine?

There is a problem, deal with it, and so should the Dell support people here rather than having us jump through hoops that are not worth anything?

Dell Support has been on this computer and can't figure it out either, but the answer was the front ports are not for USB 2.0 devices. BS, USB 3.0 is BACKWARDS compatible. Same goes for USB 3.0 devices plugged into 2.0 ports. They work at the speed of the device or port, depending which it is plugged into.

If you want to help, great. Try it on an XPS 8700 and see if you can figure out what 'we' might be doing wrong, but don't blame it on the devices please. Don't say Dell doesn't support "XYZ" product either as I've never seen any list that states the makes of flash drives one can use.

Oh, in my case Dell did delete the drivers and that didn't fix the problem. They even got 'new' Renesas USB 3.0 drivers from Intel to no avail. It can't be Windows versions either as both W8 and W7 has the problem. Either Dell driver s/w or Intel's, or possibly a cable or motherboard problem, but NOT device themselves problems.

I am glad you are here to help, maybe you have some power to steer Dell support the right way.

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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

This issue occurs no matter what type of "storage oriented device" is connected to either of the two Front USB ports. For example, using an externally powered "Seagate Expansion 2TB Desktop External Hard Drive USB 3.0 (modelSTBV2000100)" gives the exact same "No Detect - No Safe Remove" results.

Hmm, I've got a Seagate Expansion Desktop Drive, 2TB's, USB 3.0 Model SRD00F2, and that DOES work correctly in the front USB 3.0 ports. Shows in Safely Remove HW. and opens Windows Explorer when plugged in?

I wonder if this is the 'new' Intel USB 3.0 Renesas drivers they installed when I called in and they tried to 'fix' this?

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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

I wonder if this is the 'new' Intel USB 3.0 Renesas drivers they installed when I called in and they tried to 'fix' this?

Possibly so - AFAIK, this XPS-8700 is still using the original "Out-Of-Box" Dell factory installed drivers. Since we seem to be getting nowhere here, and we've been forewarned about how contacting Dell tech support is just a waste of time, I've spent some time doing my own research on the issue - and I'm seeing way too many reports of this specific XPS-8700 problem posted all over the Internet searches - and it appears to have been going on for a while (going back to 2013) - All reports I've seen indicate no solution and Dell being unresponsive to the issue and unhelpful when asked for assistance. This XPS-8700 was special ordered from Costco Online. Their policy allows a 90-day no questions asked return (to any convenient Costco Warehouse) for an in-full cash refund. If the "bug" is not resolved before then, this system goes back to Costco and I'll look to another equipment vendor instead.
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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

This XPS-8700 was special ordered from Costco Online. Their policy allows a 90-day no questions asked return (to any convenient Costco Warehouse) for an in-full cash refund. If the "bug" is not resolved before then, this system goes back to Costco and I'll look to another equipment vendor instead.

Nothing wrong with doing that. However the 8700 is a nice system and the price point is nice too.

Although I do not like this problem, it can be worked around usually. Not that that makes it a reason not to fix it, just it isn't limiting my use of the computer and it doesn't crash because of this.

I'd sure feel better though it Dell would own up to the problem and say they expect to have a fix by a specific date. I wonder if the Dell Service agreement would consider this a lemon and replace the system? However if all you got was another one that was reconditioned with no fix anyway that would be a waste of time. I had a Dell a long time ago, an XPS Gen 3, probably 2002 or so. The fans would just take off occasionally and it would sound like a hair dryer and not return to normal speed until the computer was re-booted. Dell replaces some fans, and then the motherboard, and then I had to wait for a new BIOS. Did not fix it and they replaced the computer with what was selling then, a Gen5, with better spec's. If this is a systemic problem however I can't see Dell replacing large quantities of 8700's? Hopefully someone is working on this and it will be fixed, soon.

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RE: XPS 8700 Front USB Port Issue

I wonder if this is the 'new' Intel USB 3.0 Renesas drivers they installed?

FWIW, Your earlier message regarding your concern that allowing KB2919355 might have caused the problem - combined with Dell's message suggesting that the system should be restored to as-shipped factory OS-load state - prompted me to not permit any MS updates to download and install on this new XPS-8700 until the cause of this issue was determined and somehow addressed. But your last post to me about Dell tech support updating the Renesas driver on your system got me searching again and discovering that those drivers are already included within Win8, and can only be downloaded (from Intel) for Win7. Problem is, what version are they in the currently installed (yet unpatched) Win8.1 factory OS? So figuring I had nothing to loose at this point, I tried allowing the current MS Win8.1 updates (including KB2919355) to download and install. Bottom line - the Front USB ports are now working properly with USB 3.0 storage devices - but still not correctly with USB 2.0 storage devices... So at least it's a partial win. Obviously there is still an issue with the front ports (and I'm thinking it's driver related) when it comes to working correctly with pre-USB 3.0 devices - but I can live with this "as-is" for now. And hopefully a subsequent driver update (from either MS or Dell) will fix the 2.0 (and probably 1.0 too) part of the issue as well.
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