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dool750
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if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

dimension e510 3GGH winxpsp2(from factory, since updated)

well i did clone my hdd, but get an error message telling me it can't restore. i curious if there is some copy protection preventing the pc restore on the cloned disc. or if the pc restore has just become corrupt.

thank you

dool750

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osprey4
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

Hi dool750,

Cloning the entire drive can be a serious challenge, since the restore and utility partitions frequently do not get copied properly. What program did you use?

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dool750
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

thank you for your prompt reply.

i used the  seagate disc wizard version 10, that came w/ the new disc.

but i haven't installed yet

i have dled a copy of mini disc partition pro wizard v6.0. but i haven't installed it yet. and really have no clue how to use it ...yet

but some with few days of cramming,  i am >guessing< i could copy the original partition and overwrite the corrupt partition on the new disc.. i think.....  i guess..... i assume ....

please, any better suggestions welcome. should i use  different software?

thank you

dool750

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Davet50
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

to restore a clone to a new drive you normally have to boot up from the program that you used to clone. See if your Seagate disk is bootable and then set your bios to boot from the disk. There should be a restore utility on the disk to restore the clone to the new drive.

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rdunnill
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

Acronis TrueImage has a bootable CD that will perform these operations.

Previously, I'd used an old DOS version of Norton Ghost, but it didn't work with drivers larger than 1tb.  

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tgsmith
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

Dool750,

The Seagate DiscWizard is actually a proprietary version of Acronis True Image.  The way I normally clone a hard drive on a Dell desktop system is to install the DiscWizard.  Once it is installed, I shut down the system and connect the new Seagate drive.  I then reboot the system, and run DiscWizard.  Seagate has a step-by-step tutorial here:  support.seagate.com/.../laptop.html

Note that this tutorial applies to both laptops and desktops.  With a desktop, you simply connect the hard drive to an internal PATA or SATA data cable and power cable rather than mount it in an external USB enclosure.  On older desktops with IDE (PATA) drives, I simply disconnect the CD/DVD drive(s) and use that cable for the new drive during the cloning process.  Usually, the software will ask you if you want the new drive to be the primary drive.  You must indicate this if you intend to use the drive as your primary boot drive.

The system I am presently using has a 120Gb Seagate drive that was cloned from an 80Gb drive that was cloned from a 40Gb drive.  The Dell PC Restore by Symantec partition was used last summer to restore the system to its "as-shipped" condition after a vicious malware attack corrrupted the system files.

I hope this answers your question as to whether or not the PC Restore will work after cloning.  I have also used the free version of Easus TODOBackup to clone Dell systems with similar success.

Tony

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osprey4
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

Hi Tony,

Just for my edification, does this process result in a cloned drive that includes working utility and restore partitions? Are you able to expand the system partition to the available drive space?

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speedstep
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

Current Dells with Dell Datasafe 2.0 Cannot be cloned.  HOWEVER if you get a 16 gig or larger USB 2 flash drive you can backup everything onto that using the basic datasafe utility. That backup gets the diag and user and restore partitions.

Its only limitation is that the restored to drive MUST BE at least as large can be larger than the original drive.  The reason is that the Factory.WIM file is stored on an encrypted NTFS partition that cannot be cloned.

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tgsmith
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

Osprey,

Yes, the Diagnostics Utility and Restore partitions remain intact and useable.  I only expand the system partition.   Note that this specifically applies to the original poster's system which is an E510 with XP SP2 (upgraded).  I am assuming that the upgrade he mentionned is to XP SP3 and not to Windows 7.  If an XP system's C: drive has been subjected to a repair install or to a clean install of XP then the Dell Proprietary Boot Record has been modified and it will be necessary to use Dan Goodell's DSRFIX program to reattach the Dell PC Restore by Symantec Partition.    If a system has been upgraded to Vista or Windows 7 then the Utility and Restore partitions have most likely been destroyed.  If they haven't been destroyed then it is possible to put the system back to it's original XP configuration by simply reformatting the C: drive with XP and using DSRFIX to reattach the Restore partition.

I have an Inspiron XPS Gen 2 on the bench wherein the original 80Gb drive was completely repartitioned and formatted with Windows 7 by the client, an Indycar driver.  As soon as the 2Gb memory upgrade arrives this week, I will be using EASEus TODOBackup to clone that drive to a 320Gb.  I expect the helmet cam videos to work a lot better with the upgraded ram and hard drive.  I've been getting some cheap thrills watching the five-car spinout at Sebring that took him out of the race.

As Speedstep pointed out, the real can of worms comes into play when you're dealing with a system that has Dell DataSafe backup installed.  His suggestion is the best way to handle that situation.

The EASEus TODOBackup worked beautifully on a recent HP tx2525 Windows 7 laptop wherein we upgraded from a  250Gb hard drive to a 500Gb hard drive.  Everything on that system worked as if the drive had never been upgraded.

Tony

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dool750
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Re: if i clone my dell provided hdd, can i do a dell pc restore on the new hdd

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seriously thank you... i have clone a hdd before. i should have restored then but i got lazy umm i have had no success restoring the to factory original i tried cloning the drive then deleting then copying the partitions .. i've been trying all sort of 'rube goldberg' "stuff" . like trying to clone the drive then repair widows on the new drive. google rube goldberg if you don't who he is. it basically means silly and over complicated solutions to accomplish simple tasks. anyway, i am actually prepping the discwizard boot disk as i write. i might also ask where can i get/dl the UAA High Definition Audio class driver 1.0 or 1.0a the windows install kept asking me for the install disc when i tried to repair windows .. i found allot pages describing it, but no dl links if this solution does not work i'll just have to do a complete new install partitions be "forgotten". i'll prob need the uaa drivers to do that. again, thank you

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i changed all the "offensive language" ---- offensive to only the amish...

also "rube goldberg" is a cartoonist who drew cartoons featuring overly complex machines made with every day objects who's purpose was to do something really simple like raise a shade or butter toast.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Rube_Goldberg

it is NOT some weird sexual act ..

ANYWAY..

i made a disc wizard boot disc

made a back up image of the utility sectors

replaced them in the cloned drive

booted the drive holding down Ctrl+F11 when the blue bar appears

this appears

"loading PBR for descriptor 3... done" with a blinking cursor

that's it that is all the comp does .. even when i reboot again

while i no longer get the "unable to restore" error message i'm still 'up the creek'.

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