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Using ViPR controller in ECS to manage other commodity hardwares

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Hi everyone,

We are going to buy ECS. I took some time to study about the appliance. I wonder if ECS's ViPR Controller component can be used to manage other commodity hardwares or not.

Could you share us some knowledge or experience about this question?

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Re: Using ViPR controller in ECS to manage other commodity hardwares

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Remove ViPR Controller from your question. It's not relevant. The newest version of the ECS software no longer requires ViPR Controller. There is no ViPR Controller with ECS. ECS has its own element management and cloud software. ECS can be deployed as a software-only solution or as an integrated appliance (ECS Appliance). A customer can have both the software-only on certified 3rd party JBOD and ECS Appliance in the same environment. It's the same software.

For customers that are also using ViPR Controller to manage file and block arrays, we will make a plug-in available for ECS so you can manage ECS from ViPR Controller just as you would any other array. The benefit is a single pane of glass. But ECS does not require ViPR Controller.


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Re: Using ViPR controller in ECS to manage other commodity hardwares

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Coming version of ECS does not require external ViPR Controller instance. Management functionality is implemented inside ECS.

Later this year special plugin will be available to integrate ECS with an existing ViPR Controller. You will be able to orchestrate ECS all other products supported natively or via OpenStack.

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Hi Vasily Pantyukhin,

Thanks for your information. That's really good to hear that ViPR Controller will be bundled in the future.

Back to my original question, do you have any info about if ViPR Controller in ECS can also manage other commodity hardware or not? Let's say: if we buy some new commodity hardware, to build new storage system, will we have to deploy new ViPR Controller? (not mention to licensing here, we just want to ask about product feature).

Thanks

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If it's possible, could you share some info about the roadmap, or news that EMC publish about implementing ViPR inside ECS, Vasily Pantyukhin?

We found this piece of information in ECS document:

"Question: Can I use the ViPR Controller software that's packaged with ECS Appliance to manage other arrays?

Answer: At GA, the ViPR Controller for ECS Appliance will only be managing itself. ECS Appliance is a self-contained appliance powered by the ViPR software. A customer would need an additional ViPR Controller instance to manage other arrays or third-party commodity."

Is that true?

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Re: Using ViPR controller in ECS to manage other commodity hardwares

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Remove ViPR Controller from your question. It's not relevant. The newest version of the ECS software no longer requires ViPR Controller. There is no ViPR Controller with ECS. ECS has its own element management and cloud software. ECS can be deployed as a software-only solution or as an integrated appliance (ECS Appliance). A customer can have both the software-only on certified 3rd party JBOD and ECS Appliance in the same environment. It's the same software.

For customers that are also using ViPR Controller to manage file and block arrays, we will make a plug-in available for ECS so you can manage ECS from ViPR Controller just as you would any other array. The benefit is a single pane of glass. But ECS does not require ViPR Controller.


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What is your task? Are you speaking about block or file/object/HDFS access?

If you are thinking about block solution based on commodity - ViPR Controller with ScaleIO is your choice. ScaleIO is a commodity based product by design.

ViPR itself supports other commodity back-end block storages via OpenStack Cinder. I expect to see a great expansion of commodity list during this year. CoprHD (open source ViPR Controller) seems very promising in that perspective.

If your thoughts around object and HDFS - your choice is ECS Software.

ECS Appliance (not Software) now supports only one model of HP servers. I expect ECS SW will be more flexible in the perspective of commodity support. ECS SW should be released during the next several months.

"Question: Can I use the ViPR Controller software that's packaged with ECS Appliance to manage other arrays?

Answer: At GA, the ViPR Controller for ECS Appliance will only be managing itself. ECS Appliance is a self-contained appliance powered by the ViPR software. A customer would need an additional ViPR Controller instance to manage other arrays or third-party commodity." Is that true?

Yes, that is true. One of the reasons is the current version of ECS appliance requires low footprint version of 2+1 ViPR Controller. So it just not scalable for production orchestration of other storages. Technically it will work, just not formally supported by EMC.

However, as it was mentioned, the coming (very shortly) version 1.2 of ECS Appliance does not require separate ViPR Controller instance. So that limitation is not applicable anymore.

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George: Your information is really new to me. Do you have the specific name and references for "element management and cloud software" of new ECS?

Vasily Pantyukhin: We plan to use ECS mainly for object. As I understand about your explaination, if I want to increase system capacity of object, we can not use our existing block & file storage. Is that true?

I also found this piece of infomation: Re: ECS Appliance-ViPR Management and Reporting

Will ViPR Management and Reporting be included in coming version 1.2 of ECS? Or ECS's management cloud software that is mentioned above will have similar feature?

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It doesn't matter what is the name of "element management and cloud software" of the new ECS. The point here - ECS Appliance v1.2 has its own management tool (GUI and CLI) developed from scratch. It is somewhere inside ECS Appliance and can be used with ECS only.

That was done to remove dependency from external ViPR Controller. Many customers don't like the idea to install additional components in their ESX or Hyper-V environment. With the new version of ECS Appliance that is not needed. You just get your ECS Appliance and everything already inside the box.

The idea of ECS Appliance is - EMC provides and supports both hardware and software. So you are right, you can not use any existing storages to increase the capacity. Additional ECS appliance bricks or cabinets supported by EMC are needed.

But if consider ECS Software (do you see the difference between Appliance and Software?), you'll have possibility to increase solution's capacity using existing storages. Let's wait for ECS Software GA release (coming soon) to discuss more details.

Monitoring & Reporting capabilities will be included into the new version 1.2 of ECS Appliance.

Not sure when SRM solution Pack will be available.

Hope that helps to clarify the situation.

Regards

Vasily

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Hi people,

Do you have any infor about when EMC plan to release ECS1.2. Any clear roadmap?

Thanks,

Long Chu

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Re: Using ViPR controller in ECS to manage other commodity hardwares

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Not sure if I can formally provide you the roadmap info. 

Let's say, ECS Appliance 1.2 will be available during 2 weeks time frame.