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June 9th, 2010 10:00

Precision M6500 touchpad jumps left a few inches when moving finger right

Precision M6500 i7, XP x86. 

This only happens intermittently and only with the touchpad, not my usb mouse.  When I touch the pad to move the cursor right, the cursor jumps left a few inches then moves with my finger right.  When I release my finger to try to move the cursor to the right again it does the same thing. 

I don't have an APOINT application anywhere on my machine (did full search).  Dell does not have any touchpad drivers for my machine online, either. 

I can use a mouse when at my desk, but when I have to go into the field I don't want to have to use it on my pant leg or something.

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August 17th, 2010 15:00

Hello

 

I have the same Problem and the M6500 was shipped yesterday.

we want evaluate the hardware for our engeniers but there are troubles troubles troubles!!!

No working driver for the ATI 7740 card which works under Win7.

Bluetooth light is on but no software or driver.

 

The support is an horror.

 

When there is no sollution until one week the NB goes back.

And we will use HP 

 

Thanks

 

 

24 Posts

August 17th, 2010 19:00

My touchpad and keyboard was replaced yesterday and so far so good.

Interestingly, after the replacement the new touchpad was completely unresponsive until I reinstalled the very same touchpad driver that was already installed for the old touchpad.

I think for it not to have been able to recognise the new hardware suggests that the new touchpad must have been of a different design level than the original one.

It seems fine now, and it almost seems more responsive than it ever was before - even when it was working well.

 

Either way, I think Dell may only now just be starting to take this issue seriously.

I was contacted by 4 different Dell techs yesterday (Jeffrey, Jason, Ben and Wei) and I was told that the problem has been escalated to a higher tech authority now.

It seems like maybe Dell don't actually use or monitor this support forum in any way (their own support issues web site?!?!), and they claim they only had one prior record of this problem that they can see on their system even though there are numerous accounts detailed here - some even resulting in whole machine replacements.  It seems like there are some loose ends in their knowledge base.

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August 18th, 2010 12:00

Here's the update on the situation:

- Dell has been testing the first defective computer that I received which i sent to a separate department in Dell (not the Returns or Pro Tech Support department). They've determined that the problem is a hardware problem and are in the process of setting up production of a new palmrest. Along with this new palmrest, a new driver will need to be released, which will take time.

- In the meantime, a temporary fix which they suspect will relieve the problem (I am currently testing this fix), and which was suggested by 'dageezerus' in an earlier post, is to disable the "Dell ControlPoint Button Service" and "Dell ControlPoint System Manager" entries in the "Services" tab of the System Configuration UI (msconfig), along with the "Dell ControlPoint" and "Dell ControlPoint System Manager" entries in the "Startup" tab of the same UI.

- Disabling the two services and two startup entries in the quick fix above does not disable core functionality like scrolling. I'm not sure what effects it has on other features.

- I'd suggest that we all try this fix so that we can let Dell (and all of the users here) know whether it is a viable temporary fix.

- I agree with many here that Dell needs to make significant improvements to its support. They (as a company - I don't believe any individuals are solely responsible here) have mishandled my case almost every step of the way. I, and I am sure all of you, want to make sure that with the next 4 years of "Pro Support" I purchased, I receive a satisfactory level of service, which has not been the case over the past months.

Let's all hope that this temporary fix works so that we can at least have normally functioning computers while we wait for the hardware update. If you go ahead with the quick fix, please post your results here. I'd say we should test for a good five days before saying it works.

24 Posts

August 18th, 2010 17:00

Day 2 after the touchpad & keyboard replacement and NO evidence of the problem now at all. (Woohooo!!!!)

That's by far the longest I have gone without issues.

 

Note that I tried removing EVERYTHING even remotely related to Control Point from the system and it did not change anything at all.

I tried drivers, bios, removing Jog Shuttle, etc - etc - etc, and nothing worked until the new touchpad went in.

Good luck everybody!

13 Posts

August 25th, 2010 14:00

What you have experienced (pressure to the left of the touchpad) has been experienced by one of our users on his new laptop as well.   However, in most cases our touchpads have just gone bad and not returned to normal until rebooting the system.    (Then they go bad again after several minutes of use.)  We are in the process of getting our hardware touchpad and keyboards replaced as necessary.  Supposedly the replacement hardware in the field should now be okay.    Yes, this problem has made the M6500 model a real disappointment.

24 Posts

August 25th, 2010 19:00

Just checking in again...

Since my keyboard & touchpad replacement over a week ago the problem is gone.

Given that I was re-booting several times each day to fix the touchpad before the replacement I would have to say it is all looking good.

My only complaint is over the length of time it took Dell to take this problem seriously, and for the fact that their support web site never did register an open support case in my name or against my service tag over all of the numerous times I spent my precious time to key all of that information in to open a case.

I never even got a single "Somebody will be in touch real soon!" email message.  It's like they just let you key in your info to make you feel better and hope that you will sort your problem out yourself sometime afterward.

The only support response I ever got was the result of ringing Dell Pro-Support in Sydney to ask to talk directly to a tech.

And then every time I talked to a tech after that they did the old database search for similar complaints against the M6500 and each time they said "We don't have any other records of any other M6500 touchpad complaints."  And all the while there were all of us on their own support forum and stories of machines being swapped by their techs and operating systems being reinstalled, and touchpads being swapped over to try to fix this problem, and I had already tried to get the problem into their support records over 5 different times before...so I think Dell needs to be asking themselves what good their support database is doing for them. 

I'm not having a go at their techs.  They were all really good to deal with.  And once they took the problem seriously they sorted the problem out quickly and effectively.  But the support automation that Dell has put in place is obviously letting down their staff, their products, and most of all, their customers.

12 Posts

August 26th, 2010 11:00

Hey guys,

Here's my story. I purchased an M6500 in May 2010. The problems as described showed up immediately. Freezing pointer, left mouse clicks without pressing a left mouse button anywhere. Sometimes the trackpad would move the pointer vertically but not laterally. The problem would start after 15 minutes or so of use. I noticed though that the track pad would work fine, so long as you were not touching the palm rests of the computer. Sometimes a light touch would cause a problem. Sometimes it required resting your palms on the palm rest to cause the trackpad problems. Predominately it occurred when I would touch the left side palm rest. But it never seemed to occur when I was not touching the palm rest at all.

I reloaded all the drivers, and actually reloaded the operating system and all the drivers, and it didn't change a thing.

I could also easily duplicate the problem by simply putting pressure on the left palm rest and trying to move the pointer with the trackpad. When there was nothing touching the palm rest, it worked fine. When I put pressure on the palm rest it would stop the pointer. Sometimes it required a fair amount of pressure, sometimes just a light touch.

In June 2010, Dell techs put a new trackpad on the machine and it got better, but was not eliminated. It seemed to be worse, the warmer the machine got.

In August 2010, they put another trackpad on the machine (the 3rd one), and the problem appeared immediately after firing up the machine. As soon as I turned the machine on, there it was. I showed the tech who fixed the machine, and he seemed befuddled.

 

My ideas. It is a mechanical/hardware issue. Both pressure and heat seem to affect the touch pad. As pressure is placed on the palmrest, particularly the left side, the trackpad actually warps a bit. When it is warped, erratic things occur. As the machine warms up, the problems increase.  It is duplicateable. At least I can.

Could it be there is not adequate support of the trackpad? Adequate heat shielding? Could there be a problem in manufacturing that makes some of the cases or trackpads poorly fit together? Could the case be causing the trackpad to twist or warp slightly? Could it be that some trackpads are ultra sensitive to pressure or heat?

Just some ideas.

 

Nathan Jung

 

BTW, some of the machine specs:

M6500 I7-820

4gb memory

Single 320 gb hard drive

Nvidia FX 2800

17" Wide Screen WUXGA RGBLED LCD Panel w/ integrated camera and mic

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit

Dell Bluetooth Card 365

internal swipe fingerprint reader

Dell Wireless 1510 Card

 

 

 

 

3 Posts

August 26th, 2010 11:00

I've been battling these very issues for months now!  I finally gave up and learned to live with a defective, top-of-line laptop...  I'm going to contact Dell support (again) and see if I can get this resolved.

Thx guys!

3 Posts

August 31st, 2010 12:00

Have touchpad problem.

Do not have fingerprint reader.

 

3 Posts

September 1st, 2010 08:00

As a note, the Laptop arrived w/o a touchpad setup option (only had mouse setup with no touchpad tab).

Local IT identified this potential fix from Dell Site.

http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dsn/en/document?c=us&cs=04&docid=361927&l=en&s=bsd#Notebook_Mouse_Erractic

 

Following install of driver and suggested setup (except of 3/4 setting for touchpad sensitivity), have not experienced the problem after an hour of use.

 

System I am running is XP Pro 32 bit.

Not sure if this would fix newer operating systems.

 

Will update info if problem reappears.

12 Posts

September 2nd, 2010 16:00

I tried jhounsch's suggested solution and all it did was make it more difficult to use the track pad and it shut off the tap to click feature. The pointer still freezes when left palm is resting on the palm rest.

This might bandaid some of the symptoms of the problem, but it doesn't solve the underlying problem.

Nathan

 

12 Posts

September 28th, 2010 17:00

My M6500 was "repaired" twice in the field with no improvement. So I sent it to Dell's Service Center for them to fix. I wrote a very long and detailed note concerning what the problem was, when it occurred, and my thouught concerning the causes of the problem.

I received the machine back today, fired it up, and before windows was even booted up, I could repeat the trackpad issue immediately. In essence, when I place hands on the palm rest in the normal resting position, the track pad freezes. Evidently:

  • They didn't read the note or
  • They were incapable of reading the note (illiteracy), or
  • They didn't test their fix in a normal typing situation, or
  • They didn't try very hard at all to find the problem.

I did receive a call from them while in for service. They evidently use an in house hard drive to test the machine. Supposedly with their hard drive in the system they couldn't duplicate the problem. (I doubt they tried very hard.) They were calling to as for my password to start up the system with my hard drive. That was the last I heard.

Now I'm left with a machine who's track pad doesn't work right, a reformatted hard drive, which wiped away all my programs and data to operate properly. Thankfully I have full backups for everything.

Hmmmm

Needless to say I'm not happy.

 

 

 

 

13 Posts

September 29th, 2010 06:00

The solution is new hardware.   Dell discovered the problem (bad parts from China) and have now (I'm told) cleared the issue with good parts.   I had a Dell tech out last week to service 3 of my M6500 units.  So far, the touchpad issue seems resolved.

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September 29th, 2010 06:00

The update I listed earlier (http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dsn/en/document?c=us&cs=04&docid=361927&l=en&s=bsd#Notebook_Mouse_Erractic) did NOT fix the problem. While it seemed to work when I was at the office, it did not work outside of the office. Not sure how the design of a mousepad works, but seems to be more prone to failure in higher humidity conditions than low humidity conditions. Sorry for leading anyone down this path.

12 Posts

September 29th, 2010 10:00

Great about the new hardware.

So how does one insure that the next repairman will be installing the new improved hardware, or another old one?

 

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