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aalotia
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RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

Hi DELL_Jared D,

Thanks for following up. Having read the previous posts in this forum thread I called Dell UK and attempted to place a phone order for a precision 5510. The basic spec was:

  • Intel® Core i7-6820HQ
  • 32 GB Ram
  • 1TB m2 PCIe ssd
  • 6 Cell battery
  • 3 Year battery warranty
  • 3 Year ProSupport Plus Warranty

I requested a U.S. Keyboard layout and Ubuntu on it. I didn't specify the Ubuntu version since the version has already been indicated on the forum in your previous posts.

The salesperson said that he couldn't select Linux as the operating system when he was selecting the requested configuration on the machine in the ordering system. I mentioned the post on this thread that had indicated that Ubuntu was now widely available and he said that it wasn't available in the UK. I would appreciate some help figuring out how I can get an order placed.

Thanks

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DELL-Jared D
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RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

I sent an email asking about UK availability.

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Project Sputnik development lead
Software Principal Engineer
Linux OS Architecture
Dell | Client Product Group

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mike702
1 Copper

RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

Guys, I'm a bit confused. Is the precision 5510 with Ubuntu 14.04 I see on the US Dell.com site the official sputnik developer edition you've been working on? Or is it just a precision with Ubuntu thrown on for the interim?

When I buy I want to make sure to buy the developer edition to show my support. Thanks for all your work Barton and Jared!

reilstein
1 Copper

RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

To piggyback on what MIKE702 and aalotia stated above, I'm curious about whether the precision 5510 with Ubuntu will come with patches to support the new hardware in this machine.

As aalotia stated:

"I'm keen to know if power saving, suspend, keyboard backlight etc. work under Linux. Also does the USB-C Gigabit Ethernet adapter offered as an accessory when configuring work with Linux?"

I have heard that the current kernel wouldn't support all of the new hardware yet (skylake, usb-c, etc.), and there are often issues with suspend, backlighting, networking and battery life, on PC's when you first install linux, so I want to make sure I know what I am getting into when I purchase this machine.

Thanks so much by the way, I have been wanting an updated (functional) linux laptop for more than a year now!

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DELL-Jared D
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RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

Guys, I'm a bit confused. Is the precision 5510 with Ubuntu 14.04 I see on the US Dell.com site the official sputnik developer edition you've been working on? Or is it just a precision with Ubuntu thrown on for the interim?

In short, it's the real deal, and you'll be showing your support.

We're no longer calling any of the Precision systems "developer editions" to emphasize that Precision is designed for engineers and other professionals in the first place, and the version of Ubuntu sold on them is neither "thrown on for the interim" nor otherwise an afterthought. The Precision 5510 and its Precision mobile siblings, the 3510, 7510 and 7710, for all intents and purposes are Project Sputnik systems even if the naming is different. We'll strive to give them all the same level of attention when it comes to Linux support. Because XPS is targeted towards a mix of consumer and business users ("prosumer"), the "Developer Edition" moniker is still used there to emphasize our commitment to developers (and enthusiasts!) and so that it is not confused with the Windows version.

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Project Sputnik development lead
Software Principal Engineer
Linux OS Architecture
Dell | Client Product Group

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DELL-Jared D
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RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

To piggyback on what MIKE702 and aalotia stated above, I'm curious about whether the precision 5510 with Ubuntu will come with patches to support the new hardware in this machine.

Yes, that is the intention.

"I'm keen to know if power saving, suspend, keyboard backlight etc. work under Linux. Also does the USB-C Gigabit Ethernet adapter offered as an accessory when configuring work with Linux?"

All of our systems that we enable Ubuntu on are tested for Energy Star compliance, and we work with component vendors to ensure driver support. Ubuntu certification includes things like support for S3, functioning multimedia keys, hybrid graphics support, and so on. I don't recall if the USB-C Ethernet adapter was tested, but we did request driver support for Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C from Intel*, which was part of the extensive testing done on these systems. USB-C testing also included fixing many external video related bugs. The amount of work to ensure we had driver support for the hardware on the Precision 5510 and XPS 13 (9350) was quite significant.

*To the best of my knowledge, we were the first and only ones requesting Thunderbolt 3 Linux support from Intel.

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Project Sputnik development lead
Software Principal Engineer
Linux OS Architecture
Dell | Client Product Group

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justausername
1 Copper

RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

Jared,

In examining the order pages for the 5510 and 7710, I find I'm able to configure a 5510 with the UHD screen, but when UHD is selected (with any graphics chipset) for the 7710, I receive an error message "The LCD you've selected is incompatible with the UBUNTU Operating System."  Would you happen to know if that is an actual limitation of the OS/hardware combination, or is this simply a bug in the order system?  (These screens do have slightly different descriptions and of course are different sizes - and therefore different hardware - so I won't be shocked if there is a genuine problem.)

Also, can you confirm if hibernation is known to work on the 5510?  The Ubuntu certification for its predecessor, the M3800, stated that hibernation was not working, though it provided no details as to the problem and a query I made here long ago turned up no new information.  (www.ubuntu.com/.../201409-15517)  Suspend is wonderful, but I find hibernation very useful too and am reluctant to try to work on a portable machine without it.

Finally, regardless of the answers to the above questions, let me extend my thanks to you, Barton, and team for all of the great work in getting these machines to market with Linux installed.  As a desktop Linux user off-and-on since the late '90s and constantly since 2007, I deeply appreciate any and all efforts in Linux-supported hardware.

Stephen

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mike702
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RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

In short, it's the real deal, and you'll be showing your support.

Excellent, thank you!

We're no longer calling any of the Precision systems "developer editions" to emphasize that Precision is designed for engineers and other professionals in the first place, and the version of Ubuntu sold on them is neither "thrown on for the interim" nor otherwise an afterthought. The Precision 5510 and its Precision mobile siblings, the 3510, 7510 and 7710, for all intents and purposes are Project Sputnik systems even if the naming is different. 

I understand, but a bit sad to see the Sputnik name hidden behind bland corporate naming. I for one love the name and project you guys have done supporting linux.

Anyways, sorry to go off topic, but what if there was a Project Sputnik sticker we could put on the laptop that looked sort of like an old sputnik space patch? Would that not be cool?

aalotia
1 Copper

RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

With the next LTS due in April (16.04) will the Precision mobile workstations be upgradeable to it when it is released or will there be a lag?

Thanks

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krolaw
1 Copper

RE: Update on XPS 13/15 2016 Developer Edition availability

Hello,

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm really excited at the thought of an extremely cool ultrabook backed by a company that takes Linux seriously.

1) Is the XPS 13 2006 DE model going to hit New Zealand?  Options seem constrained here and I've never seen a DE version on the NZ site.

Presuming I may not be able to wait:
2) Besides RAM/HD/Wifi, are the DE models essentially the same as consumer? (As in, is there a serious difference that will limit my Ubuntu experience on the consumer models?  Will tech support persist?)
3) Will the factory DE Ubuntu installer image be made available for download/install?  And/or are Broadcom wifi support/fixes likely to be included in Ubuntu 16 beta (out in a few days).
4) Speaking of Wifi, many sites I've googled suggest I'll save myself a whole lot of pain by simply replacing the Wifi with an Intel 7260NGW myself.  Would this invalidate warranty?  And/or is this a purchase option available in other countries?

Many thanks.

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