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+1 for the sticker!

that would indeed be a very nice community project, maybe someone is connected to printing industry and is able to have a relatively small batch of high quality sputnik stickers in the size of the dell-logo produced at a reasonable pricepoint πŸ˜ƒ


anyway, i'm happy to hear about the efforts being put into linux-driver-support and wonder if the patches are flowing upstream so debian itself and other distros might benefit from the extended support and allow users to use a wider range of linux-distros on their dell sputniks.

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All of our systems that we enable Ubuntu on are tested for Energy Star compliance, and we work with component vendors to ensure driver support. Ubuntu certification includes things like support for S3, functioning multimedia keys, hybrid graphics support, and so on. I don't recall if the USB-C Ethernet adapter was tested, but we did request driver support for Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C from Intel*, which was part of the extensive testing done on these systems. USB-C testing also included fixing many external video related bugs. The amount of work to ensure we had driver support for the hardware on the Precision 5510 and XPS 13 (9350) was quite significant.

*To the best of my knowledge, we were the first and only ones requesting Thunderbolt 3 Linux support from Intel.

That's awesome to hear! I seem to remember you've said that the drivers are in a directory (possibly debs) on the system. As long as I have a copy hove those drivers can I do a fresh install of 15.10 (or 16.04 when it's released) and just install those drivers?
Also, is ECC memory supported in the 5510 with the Xeon? I know Xeon supports ECC but not sure if the 5510 does.
Thanks!
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All of our systems that we enable Ubuntu on are tested for Energy Star compliance, and we work with component vendors to ensure driver support. Ubuntu certification includes things like support for S3, functioning multimedia keys, hybrid graphics support, and so on. I don't recall if the USB-C Ethernet adapter was tested, but we did request driver support for Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C from Intel*, which was part of the extensive testing done on these systems. USB-C testing also included fixing many external video related bugs. The amount of work to ensure we had driver support for the hardware on the Precision 5510 and XPS 13 (9350) was quite significant.

*To the best of my knowledge, we were the first and only ones requesting Thunderbolt 3 Linux support from Intel.

Does hybrid graphic support imply that other thunderbolt3 docks with external gpu like the razer core are also going to work with the xps13 DE even though it has no dedicated gpu itself?

Any information on the timeline for thunderbolt dock support? Will it be available from launch or later?

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Hi Jared,

Are there any updates about the online availability?

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Hi @Jsiebens,  

we are working on it as we speak!

thanks for the support. πŸ™‚

Barton 

Barton George

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Dear Barton,

I have been looking forward to purchasing a Precision 5510 DE in Switzerland for a while now. I am happy to hear that the DE (or Linux Edition) is coming out soon, even if with little fanfare perhaps. Indeed I don't see anything online yet.


Additionally, I am quite a bit worried about the pricing: I looked at the windows version shortly after it came out. In December, it was retailing in Switzerland at around 1600 CHF in the basic configuration (due to a promotion with stated end-date November 2016). I did not buy then because I wanted to wait for the DE. Now somehow the price jumped up to an incredible 2700 CHF for the basic configuration, while just across the border in Italy it comes at around 1550 EUR. Same price in France. (1 chf = 1 usd = 0.9 eur)


I understand that you guys have probably little control over the price, but I find it hard to believe that such a disparity over the price can be intentional, especially given that the launch price in Switzerland was just as low as everywhere else. Moreover, as a business customer I cannot really tell my company to go shopping across the border. If you could point out this discrepancy with whoever is in charge of sales it may be very helpful for the purpose of getting the right price tag on the linux version across different markets.

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In examining the order pages for the 5510 and 7710, I find I'm able to configure a 5510 with the UHD screen, but when UHD is selected (with any graphics chipset) for the 7710, I receive an error message "The LCD you've selected is incompatible with the UBUNTU Operating System."  Would you happen to know if that is an actual limitation of the OS/hardware combination, or is this simply a bug in the order system?

With the 7510 and 7710, there're two bugs related to the UHD panel. That's the reason for the restriction. Once both bugs are resolved, the restriction will be lifted. There is no such restriction for the 5510.

Also, can you confirm if hibernation is known to work on the 5510?  The Ubuntu certification for its predecessor, the M3800, stated that hibernation was not working, though it provided no details as to the problem and a query I made here long ago turned up no new information.  (www.ubuntu.com/.../201409-15517)  Suspend is wonderful, but I find hibernation very useful too and am reluctant to try to work on a portable machine without it.

I don't believe we test hibernation anymore, at least on systems with discrete GPUs. However, for what it's worth, these days I see little impact on battery life when using suspend.

Finally, regardless of the answers to the above questions, let me extend my thanks to you, Barton, and team for all of the great work in getting these machines to market with Linux installed.  As a desktop Linux user off-and-on since the late '90s and constantly since 2007, I deeply appreciate any and all efforts in Linux-supported hardware.

It's really great to see all the kind and supportive words. πŸ™‚ That definitely makes this job more enjoyable.

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That's awesome to hear! I seem to remember you've said that the drivers are in a directory (possibly debs) on the system. As long as I have a copy hove those drivers can I do a fresh install of 15.10 (or 16.04 when it's released) and just install those drivers?

Without having tested ourselves, that's hard to answer. The biggest issue is Type C support.

Also, is ECC memory supported in the 5510 with the Xeon? I know Xeon supports ECC but not sure if the 5510 does.

My understanding is that it may possibly be available later. I'm not sure and couldn't definitively say even if I did know.

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1) Is the XPS 13 2006 DE model going to hit New Zealand?  Options seem constrained here and I've never seen a DE version on the NZ site.

Assuming you meant 2016 and not 2006... We've had a difficult time convincing the sales teams in APJ to make this available anywhere in that part of the world. We'll keep trying, though.

2) Besides RAM/HD/Wifi, are the DE models essentially the same as consumer? (As in, is there a serious difference that will limit my Ubuntu experience on the consumer models?  Will tech support persist?)

The hardware is the same. The difference mainly is in the hardware enablement work and support. Oh, and helping to financially support our Linux work.

3) Will the factory DE Ubuntu installer image be made available for download/install?

No. We're not permitted to share this with customers who do not purchase with Ubuntu.

 And/or are Broadcom wifi support/fixes likely to be included in Ubuntu 16 beta (out in a few days).

Assuming you mean Ubuntu 16.04, yes, Broadcom drivers are already there.

4) Speaking of Wifi, many sites I've googled suggest I'll save myself a whole lot of pain by simply replacing the Wifi with an Intel 7260NGW myself.  Would this invalidate warranty?  And/or is this a purchase option available in other countries?

The Skylake XPS 13 uses either an Intel 8260 or a Broadcom DW1820A. The latter uses Broadcom's new open source driver.

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Does hybrid graphic support imply that other thunderbolt3 docks with external gpu like the razer core are also going to work with the xps13 DE even though it has no dedicated gpu itself?

We don't test other maker's Thunderbolt 3 docks, so I don't know.

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