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Latest version of Dell XRITE Monitor Application
Need to recalibrate my Dell U 2413 using the latest version of the Dell XRITE Monitor Application. I see the location of version 1.5.3 (which, btw, is almost impossible to find on the Dell site). However, I am of the impression that there is a 1.5.7 and a 1.5.8 version available. Should I be downloading one of them from Dell?
note: The help desk from XRITE Color Services sent me the installer for 1.5.8, but I read elsewhere that this version restricts calibration to gamma 2.2 or sRGB, which seem odd. Might this be possible, and if so, why? I would like to calibrate srgb and aRGB for my monitor.
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August 30th, 2015 11:00
Just to add to this question, should I be using icc profile version 2 or 4 with this software?
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August 31st, 2015 08:00
I noticed two more things.
a. None of the profiles I built with DCCS 1.5.3 appear in the Devices panel of the Color Management control panel, but do appear in the All Profiles panel. Is DCCS designed to require the user to manually add cal 1 and cal 2 profiles to the devices panel so they can be set as defaults? If yes, what about monthly re-calibrations with no name changes? (I assume that if I changed the date in the recalibration title each month, I would have to manually remove the old profile from Devices and add the new one.) Is this the way it works?
b. I find the 50% brightness calibrated sRGB too bright when viewing Word, Excel and browser applications. I see that if I select the factory sRGB using the Dell Display Manager, and reduce the monitor brightness to 25%, the brightness level is comfortable and the setting stays even if I change to another color space and return to the factory sRGB. Of course, if i then open PS, it looks washed out. However, I assume that when I want to work in PS, and I set the Control panel to default to calibrated sRGB, set the Display manager to cal 2(sRGB for me) and use the sRGB IEC61922-2.1 color space in PS or the calibrated sRGB from the PS pull down menu (not sure if that would make a difference) , all the color in PS will be correct. Have I got this right?
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August 31st, 2015 10:00
1st mesage: Choose sRGB color coordinates for R,G & B, then 2.4 gamma with DCCS 1.5.8. Calibrate CAL1. Measure it with ArgyllCMS. Which gamma?
2nd message: Unless you choose v2 ICC, you cannot validate those profiles with ArgyllCMS. Of course you can "profile only" with ArgyllCMS of calibrated CAL1 or CAL2 presets after DCCS ends its work.
a ) Yes for 1.5.3 on my computer. If it does not work for you, add them manually with "Add" button on "Device" tab. Validate profile after a month. Is it OK? Wait 2 more weeks, then validate again. This way you'll see when WP & grey drifts from desired target in YOUR unit.
b ) For use in PS or other color managed apps, before that App starts, Color management>Device tab SHOULD have an accurate profile for that OSD preset as "default".
It has to be done for each preset you use with Photoshop or other color managed apps. CAL1, CAL2, sRGB, Custom Color, AdobeRGB....
If you only use CAL1, CAl2 and Custom color, you only need to make 3 profiles. Select desired OSD mode of those 3, then set as "default" matching profile in device tab. Then start Photoshop.
Somewhere in this forum ther should be a tweak to Dell Display Manager to do it for you. I do not remember where that thread is.
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August 31st, 2015 11:00
The U2413 File page list version Version 1.0.0.0 (P5Y0G) and the newer Version 1.5.8 (RNMR2). So 1.5.8 should work.As far as the advanced questions, I am at a loss. The Dell U2413 Monitor Color Calibration User's Guide is pretty basic. Contact our resident calibration pro Yumichan via private message. Click "Add as Friend". He is very good and honest.
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August 31st, 2015 13:00
Just tested the last version 1.5.8 of DCCS
Working better now, Translation, (French for me), is usable, etc....
But something continue to not working : the customized gamma
If I choose something superior to 2.2 , the choice is not used and kept !
Easy to see: Choose 2.23, go to the next step and go back
The choice is again at the default choice !
(I have tried to continue the calibration just for testing without any result ).
Can you confirm, you or maybe Yumichan, that the problem is real. (buggy).
(Hope to have a day something running totally...).
Tks a lot.
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August 31st, 2015 14:00
Where can i find the U2413 File page? Searched all over and can only find 1.5.3 at "en.community.dell.com/.../5187.dell-ultrasharp-color-calibration-solution-x-rite";
U2413 File page is here.
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August 31st, 2015 15:00
a. You lost me at the 3 profiles statement. I thought that DCCS stored only two calibrated color spaces, cal1 and cal2. Each would be a calibrated version of the factory set color space, eg. sRGB and Adobe RGB. When I use Lightroom , and say I use the sRGB color space, I would select the cal 1 (sRGB) profile in devices and cal 1 in the dislay manager. I using Photoshop, I would also select either the cal1 color space or the sRGB IEC61922-2.1 color space (I assume they both would provide accurate colors?). So, I see only two calibrated selections from which to choose at one time. If I wanted to use another previously calibrated 'custom' color space, how would I set it up? Or is the custom selection another calibrated space?
b. Why is it necessary to use the ArgyllCMS software? Won't DCCS and the i1 Display Pro do a good enough job? They certainly cost enough! And if I did not use it, would it matter which ICC profile version I set?
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September 1st, 2015 03:00
a ) Monitor has several presets. 2 of them are HW calibratable: CAL1 and CAL2. You can perform a GPU calibration, the kind of calibration avaliable to ALL monitors on the other presets.
For example, DCCS does not allow you to choose desired contrast. If you want D50 gamma 2.2 and 300:1 paper contrast, you have to do it in "Custom Color" mode and GPU calinbration, the kind of calibration that i1Profiler or ArgyllCMS can perform.
So you can use 3 presets (ore more) in your work... it's just an example:
CAL1: sRGB
CAL2: AdobeRGB (which is 6500K daylight white)
Custom Color: D50 gamma 2.2 contrast 300:1, but this one is calibrated in graphics card, not inside monitor.
You can use Photoshop with CAL1 calibrated and profiled (ICM file) to AdobeRGB... and work with sRGB images without issue. That's because PS or LR are "color managed". They transforms properly RGB numbers between colorspaces.
In your example, if CAL1 was calibrated to "sRGB" you can use SRGB profile as yiu did, or use "U2413_CAL1.icm" (or whatever name you set as filename). Second one is more accurate since it stores any deviation of calibration from desired target. It has a drawback: working with 8bit/channel images rounding errors "could" arise in the form of banding.
b ) It's customizable, it's more accuarate. Latest version even allows you for ISO vieweing contitions reports.
DCCS is a customized version of X-rite's i1Profiler. i1Profiler is much more limited than ArgyllCMS.
If you do not want to use it, don't use it. I just suggested the more accurate way.
If you do not use ArgyllCMS and all your software is ICC v4 compatile, you can choose v4 without issues.
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September 1st, 2015 06:00
Anyone can confirm that this problem exists ?
(about the customized gamma not running in version 1.5.8, not in version 1.5.3. See message above.)
Thanks a lot.
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September 3rd, 2015 10:00
AHA, I am getting to an answer!!
Per recommendations when I got DCCS and the i1 Display pro with my U2413, I did not install the i1 Display Pro software. (I later learned that if one install DCCS first, and then the i1 profiler software, there would be no problem). So, I guess that means that I cannot, at this time, calibrate any profiles using my GPU, but can only calibrate two profiles using the hardware LUT of my monitor and storing them as Cal 1 and Cal 2. When I use the updated version of DCCS, I must:
1. Remove all traces of Current DCCS software
2. Remove all profiles in the device panel of my color management control panel, including Dell profiles. I assume some Dell profile must be loaded in Devices when I install the DCCS?
3. Remove all profiles that I made, at least as many as I can identify as mine. I believe they all end in .icm, but I fear that some Dell or Windows profiles may also end in icm. Any way to be sure?
4. Download and Install the new version of DCCS and make two monitor LUT profiles, stored in cal 1 and cal2. I have decided to calibrate aRGB for cal1, which I will use for color managed programs, and sRGB in cal 2, which I will use for non color managed work, e.g., Word, Chrome, etc. When changing to a new cal, I must: A. go to the color management devices tab and make the one I want to use the default profile. B. use the Dell display manager(or the monitor buttons, I guess) to select the desired cal profile. C. select that color space in Photoshop. Lightroom does not have a selectable color space like Photoshop. (I believe it uses ProPhoto in the Build mode and sRGB in the others)
5. If I want to have a third and a fourth profile, I must then install the i1 software from the disk or I guess download the ArgyllCMS application, and update the former to the latest version. I see a possible problem, as I see that DCCS selects the ICC version 4 profile by default, but ArgyllCMS, which you recommend, requires the Version 2 profile. Am I correct about these later two points, and if so, what would you do about it?
6. Using one of the two GPU profilers in parallel with DCCS, I would choose say “custom” to establish a profile that may have less brightness to be used for WORD or Excell work, which tends to be too bright with the other settings on my monitor. Othersise I could make a profile of sya sRGB with different white point, etc.
Does all this sound right to you?
FYI, I found the updated DCCS thanks to Chris M.
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September 5th, 2015 11:00
2, 3 are not needed. So I would replace MUST with COULD. They will just use disk space..
4.c) Photoshop default colorspace is used when opening images without color profile ("untagged"). Since a lot of internet pngs & jpgs do not have profiles and most RAW editing programs export TIFFs with color profile embebed inbthe TIFF file... it's useful to use "sRGB" as default RGB colorspace. It's not mandatory... Photoshop allows customization for a reason. I just say that configure it to sRGB is useful for a lot of people.
5. If ypu want to use i1Profiler software AND want to validate all profiles and calibrations woth ArgyllCMS (which is very recmendable due to its accuracy and custom options), then choose v2 for I1Profiler.
Calibration in i1Profiler will not be affected, just profiling.
6. "Custom color" OSD preset is a native gamut preset. All AdobeRGB plus more saturated reds beyond AdobeRGB red. So for Office and all other color managed apps choose your CAL2=sRGB setting or calibrate in GPU factory "sRGB" OSD preset.
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September 5th, 2015 12:00
To clarify, I can calibrate cal 2 as sRGB with the default 50% brightness using DCCS. I can also install iprofiler and calibrate the factory sRGB (instead of Custom) using 25% brightness, which will store the profile in the GPU. I would select the sRGB profile I want to use using the Dell Display Manager. If I want to use ArgyllCMS to validate my profiles, I should set the calibration for ICC version 2 profile. If I just want to use only iprofiler, as color accuracy is not that important to me if I am using Word or Chrome, I can leave the ICC version 4 profile set by DCCS. Am I correct about this?
FYI, I chose to use aRGB for Photoshop and monitor settings to show a little more color capability, but if I export for a slide show or to send the photo to another, I will then convert to sRGB.
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September 9th, 2015 03:00
I thinks that you mixed up some terms.
-CAL2 is at factory setup (or factory reset) at 50% brightness & contrast... BUT DCCS will calibrate it to your target. That's the point of using DCCS, to calibrate CALx.
-sRGB "MONTOR's" preset (precalibrated preset) once calibrated in GPU will store calibration and pofile in an ICM file. When loaded or set as default profile, profile is stored in OS (to be published to colormanaged apps) and calibration (VCGT tag contents) is what is stored in GPU LUT.
-With Dell display anager(DDM) you select OSD mode in monitor. If want to asociate an OSD mode to a certain ICM file, I think it is done via regristry. There should be a thread here about that.
If you select as default a profile in OS settings after changing OSD mode with DDM, it will work too.
-i1Profiler (Xrite software bundled with colorimeter) is for "Custom color" mode. I do not remember if i1Profile could correct white piont in GPU LUTs in "blocked" OSD modes like factory sRGB/AdobeRGB. Try to test i1Profiler in that way if you want, but ArgyllCMS does it properly and with an AMD GPU it is done perfect even loosing grey levels... so no need to use i1Profiler.
I think that in your sentence you were talinkg about "DCCS", not "i1Profiler", so if I am right: yes, you could use ICC v4 profiles with DCCS if do not want to use ArgyllCMS. I do not find any sensible reasons to do that (it will take the same time and you loose validation capabilities), but it is possible and will work with ICC v4 software.