Optiple 3070 Trouble Selecting Boot

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@jerryyyyy wrote:

1. I have a unit with a M.2 SSD and have cloned the disk to a Samsung EVO 850 as a backup. 

If I put the 850 into the second disk drive SATA connector it will boot, but it no longer sees the M.2 partition.  Pull out the 850 and it boots from the M2..

2. Anyone have any ideas how to see the M.2 and boot from it but keep the 850 there as a convenient backup? 

 

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1. This behavior is normal and "by design". Cloning is only for setup and repairs. It is not for daily backups.

2. You "Image whole machine to a file" (with Verify option ON) . A program like Macrium Reflect allows you to setup a schedule and do Differential, Incremental or Full Backups.

You can store these backups files on a SSD if you want to (but that is not a requirement) . Also, not sure why you want the backups inside the computer (in a fire or theft they would be destroyed as well). 

Thanks, the problem is not the backups, which I can do many ways, the problem is that I would like both the primary and secondary (backup) disks visible.  The BIOS/UEFI does not show both disks if the second disk is mounted. 

I could show a screenshot, but the EVO disk is listed twice and the M.2 not at all in the boot options. 

Bios is not a boot manager.

The bcd must be changed so that when it starts it knows which drive is the one to boot from.

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@jerryyyyy wrote:

the problem is that I would like both the primary and secondary (backup) disks visible. 

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If the other disk it a true clone of the boot-disk ... it is not a Secondary disk. Sounds like you are trying to have TWO PRIMARY DISKS, which is not allowed on a UEFI system, AFAIK.

tesla nails this

you cloned the disk wrong, better software (migration) handles this correctly

you can not have 2 disks with same UUID< on them that is having 2 identical UUID disks same on one PC..

so don't do that. with an identical UUID/GUID, on both,  (illegal)

Good clones like yours it sits on a shelf not in SATA2 port. (backup purpose)

Good clone software at the get go asks you to do advance mode and have the target set to a new UUID.

that is what you did not do.

and there is worse if Using UEFI, modes (full blown)

not only that but the good software tells at the end, you must remove the source disk a power down and leave it out.( if not UUID changed)

Thanks, so I need to take a deep breath and not expect to mount two identical disks...

The reason I am cloning the disks using Samsung's software is that most of the backup solutions I have tried for W10 seem unreliable.  The legacy W7 backup and restore does not seem to work reliably with W10 in my hands.  I have Acronis and that works OK if the disk is not Bitlockered... if it is Bitlockered I cannot get it to work... they say decrypt and backup... great. 

I have my working files backed up to OneDrive and CrashPlan so if I have to I can reconstruct clerical work computers pretty easily, but I have some that do scientific work with a lot of 3rd party software and settings tweaked that I clone as a backup.  These are not BitLockered.  With the Samsung clone I know I can get back to these systems.

Thanks for your help,

JY

why not ask MICROsoft this directly, as you know w10 has  all new rules now and for sure UEFI.

if you wiki UEFI, what do you read,  it tells you they do not want folks copying or cloning your data.

it is  a new set of security rules,  this is what it is.  you cant' change that, and the rules on UUID serialized boots  are long been in forced, even w7. (  but can go to full legacy mode, on some PC)

Talk to microsoft on their forum.  and keep in mind only that know what the rules will be for the next major version of W10 beyond, v1909,.

then consider this you best BACKUP software, has to track that, and match all that?  yah , not easy to know.

I understand what you want.

not just data backup but full blown APPS and full  setup of same.

only clone does that I think.  why not buy software that can do that, no OLD BUT CURRENT> (mirror mode)

there are like 10 companies that do this.

there are 3 issues here UEFI etc.

PCs stolen.

PCs HDD stolen

and guy in the middle theft, they remove HDD when you are not looking and clone it and put it back (mr. sneaky)

all 3 are serious issues, for businesses, and you are trying to fight this,  MS is the best people to ask.

for now and next major release of w10. 

I have no idea how your PCs are set up in BIOS, not at all. UEFI wise, (secure boot is hardest)

if using secure boot, (are you) here is how to do that. (backup and recover)

they do the backup off then go back to secure.

on recovery the same thing in reverse.

and bitlocker is even more hard. (study this carefully if used!?)

also check out ACRONIS backup TRUE IMAGE  to cloud. (start reading here , and is very accurate)

Thanks, you have filled in the details for me.  I have gravitated to Acronis and their cloning software works too.  The replacement disk is a Samsung and I have never had their cloning software fail, so using that. 

I now understand in more depth the issues.. the man in the middle is a nice touch! I guess this is the world we live in. 

yes that it all ways, but one.

aliens on saucers floating over your building, Clocking on,  and xray beam of you data as you are logged in,

alien in the middle is next,,,,

cure is tin foil hat. (extra large) or the new wave Herman Miller faraday cubical.