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can my optiplex 7010 use a MSI Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 graphics card?

i have a bone stock (refurbed) Optiplex 7010 tower and i want to turn it in to a semi gaming pc. i understand i have to put a new power supply as well but, can i use the motherboard or not? if not link me a GPU i can use with my motherboard. thanks

 

 

Link: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-128-Bit-Support-Graphics/dp/B07QTMRJTK/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=MSI+Ga...

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7010 is ancient VACCUUM TUBE model that can run windows XP.

Therefore CLASS 2.3.1  UEFI based cards are NEVER EVER WORKING in this model.Older pascal based cards Up to GTX 1080 TI work fine with proper power supply upgrade.

Even models as old as the 2006 XPS 400 work.

standard GT1030 card works fine without needing to buy anything else.

  • Manufacturer part G10302PC
  • Dell part AA362018

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/accessories/apd/aa362018

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa9b0TkTsLM

 

 


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DELL Uses Dell Bios and INTEL AMT

Systems that have Intel® Active Management Technology (Intel® AMT) has security that prevents unauthorized BIOS updates.

There are no utilities or other software offered to end users EVER.

 


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7010 can boot and run windows xp.

there is NO SECURE BOOT Mode and there will never be.

Demonstrably is false.  Windows uses ELAM to not allow any device or driver or software to load based on UEFI CERTIFICATE in bios.  Thats what secure boot mode is. Early Launch AntiMalware. The ELAM feature provides a Microsoft-supported mechanism for antimalware (AM) software to start before other third-party components. AM drivers are initialized first and allowed to control the initialization of subsequent boot of windows 8 or 10.  All future windows will be 64 bit only, windows 10 only.

UEFI cards do not support MSDOS VESA video mode 103 and therefore they do not initialize and do not work.

There may be other software added like clover aka hackintosh mac OS that works with these cards but using windows is not an option.

Any model given advice about is one that I personally own and or have used in the past.

Oldest model working with Pascal based card is Optiplex GX620 or Precision 380.

There is a further complication in that PCI-E 2.0 bus DOES NOT SUPPORT 128b/130b PCI-E line code on the X16 bus.  2.0 uses 8b/10b line code PHY.

This is a known problem between compatability of PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/guide/pci-express3-phy-implementation-considerations-idf2009-p...

You can post all the nonsense you want its not working and its not going to work out of the box.

 

 


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Recent updates in 2018 to 3010 7010 9010 seem to indicate that a newer bios is available.  You cannot jump from A00 to A29 in a single step.

ALL MODELS of 7010 have LESS THAN 300W power supply. This means a 75W card is not supported.

275W is max power supply size and thats the tower.

240W is all you get for SFF.

Telling people that ANY 75W card works in ANY 7010 is bad advice at best and permanent damage advice at worst.

https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/optiplex_7010_technical_guidebook.pdf

If you upgrade a TOWER model with EVGA 700BR

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-700w-atx12v-eps12v-80-plus-bronze-power-supply-dc-dc-technology-bl...

It will support a short card.  Full length cards however will not fit into the case.

WHQL Win8 capability is mentioned for A16.

XP and VISTA and 32 bit OS however is not compatible with Secure boot.

You can't have both on the same machine.

https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/how13354/optiplex-7010-windows-10-driver-pack?lang=en

https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER03631140M/1/7010-WIN10-A01-GR1XM.CAB

 

You download the cab file and move to my documents folder and extract using 7 zip.

https://www.7-zip.org/download.html

You can then update any missing legacy drivers in device manager via update from my pc vs from the internet.

 

http://downloads.dell.com/published/pages/#esuprt_desktop_optiplex_legacy

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Sunix Serial/Parallel Card Driver

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Dell Smartcard USB Keyboard Driver

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Broadcom 57XX/BACS Combined Package Driver

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9 Rhodium

7010 is ancient VACCUUM TUBE model that can run windows XP.

Therefore CLASS 2.3.1  UEFI based cards are NEVER EVER WORKING in this model.Older pascal based cards Up to GTX 1080 TI work fine with proper power supply upgrade.

Even models as old as the 2006 XPS 400 work.

standard GT1030 card works fine without needing to buy anything else.

  • Manufacturer part G10302PC
  • Dell part AA362018

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/accessories/apd/aa362018

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa9b0TkTsLM

 

 


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what case is this, there are 4 case sizes call forum factors,  3 of the 4 have x16 slot, but none stated.

what game, please name , one, or one you must run, today or next year.

the 7010 is not chopped liver runs G2 or gen 3 Intel CPUs (your CPU number not stated)

what OS do you run, my guess w7.8/10 but none stated.

the pc can use 1000s of video cards made.  It sure can. fit and run ok but not high end games.

The PC is worth $100 or less used,  the cards new that are gaming rated are up to 2x that.

This PC will never get full performance from the CARD with old slow processors, (AAA $60 games)

top MSI cards can in fact run in most machines but not fast on old machine.

the card you linked is  auto hybrid card. 1650

id try a cheap,  1050 or old  750 GTX for running old games, or games with textures wicked way down to attain FPS higher.

 

 

nobody

huh dat video of Dell DXP051 Pentium D 930 3.0GHz, is like CORE Gen 3, really, 2006 is 2011, really?

vacuum tubes in the year 2012, (all my old games run on hollow state technology no problem)

wow,  I guess my ICOM IC-7200 has  tubes too? who'd of thunked it? but my HK SB200 does, 

OP no case SIZE (format) stated but if MT why not try it and tell us.

newegg has  great return policy, if length is ok try it.

why not ask the gtx msi board maker for support on 7010,  they made the VBIOS not DELL.

aSK THEM. FIRST.

DID YOU KNOW THE TOP TWO MAKERS MSI AND GIGABYTE, Both have vbios  down load pages!

not hacking pages, OEM card majors.

many models in fact offer legacy  VBIOS, just for you, some if you ask them., tell you  if your card is 1 year old or more,

our web site, has a VBIOS up grade called :"AUTO MODE"  In fact, I talked to Nvidia about this and they have the core samples that make this work and many GPU board makers use this upgrades in the VBIOS. now.

learn that this is not static,  ok, like other think here, 10 makers, of card, MSI is one,  of ten

and there are many classes of 1 base model card,  (ram and such) and many have 4 or more VBIOS flash roms (offered, need a list?) .

even for many OS,  unstated by you. so what works is not CAST in concrete. OK,  NOT

OP tell use what you end goal is , even tell what game it is and if played on line or offline only.

 

 

nobody

 

DELL Uses Dell Bios and INTEL AMT

Systems that have Intel® Active Management Technology (Intel® AMT) has security that prevents unauthorized BIOS updates.

There are no utilities or other software offered to end users EVER.

 


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so your saying i need a new motherboard or what? what you just said made my brain hurt more then trying to find a GPU that works.

7010 TOWER , DESKTOP, SFF can all use low profile GT1030.

There are not any other viable options.

Tower can have power supply upgraded and use more cards but only NVIDIA.

Current RX series ATI cards do not work in any 7010.

MSI Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 wont work in ANY 7010 because like the ATI RX series cards it requires UEFI SECURE BOOT. Does not support windows xp or vista which the 7010 does which means its NOT UEFI Secure boot and never will be.

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/msi-gt-1030-2g-lp-oc-graphic-card-2-gb-gddr5-pcie-30-x16-low-pr...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y32mBdZHJY

 

 


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What does the UEFI mode Secure Boot option in the Optiplex 7010 Bios do anyway?

7010 can boot and run windows xp.

there is NO SECURE BOOT Mode and there will never be.

Demonstrably is false.  Windows uses ELAM to not allow any device or driver or software to load based on UEFI CERTIFICATE in bios.  Thats what secure boot mode is. Early Launch AntiMalware. The ELAM feature provides a Microsoft-supported mechanism for antimalware (AM) software to start before other third-party components. AM drivers are initialized first and allowed to control the initialization of subsequent boot of windows 8 or 10.  All future windows will be 64 bit only, windows 10 only.

UEFI cards do not support MSDOS VESA video mode 103 and therefore they do not initialize and do not work.

There may be other software added like clover aka hackintosh mac OS that works with these cards but using windows is not an option.

Any model given advice about is one that I personally own and or have used in the past.

Oldest model working with Pascal based card is Optiplex GX620 or Precision 380.

There is a further complication in that PCI-E 2.0 bus DOES NOT SUPPORT 128b/130b PCI-E line code on the X16 bus.  2.0 uses 8b/10b line code PHY.

This is a known problem between compatability of PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/guide/pci-express3-phy-implementation-considerations-idf2009-p...

You can post all the nonsense you want its not working and its not going to work out of the box.

 

 


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Deja vu.  Different 16xx series card and machine, but here's speedstep again telling someone "In an older dell [Inspiron 5680, a GTX] 1660 is a non starter. Won't ever work".  Then in the same thread someone points out that config is running in the real world on userbenchmark.com.  Based on this fact the OP decides to give the card a go.  Works perfectly.

It's one thing to express an opinion of doubt ("...I'm not sure that would work..."), but emphatic pronouncements that have no basis in reality and misguide others in their decision-making is not a good thing.  The OP in this thread could be running a GTX 1650 like they wanted, but was fed a bunch of misinformation.

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