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June 28th, 2020 21:00

Issues Upgrading R710 Memory

I am attempting to upgrade my R710 from 12x 4rx8 8gb 8500r memory dimms to 18x 2rx4 12800R 16gb dimms.

I also upgraded my CPU's to x5670's.

When I boot my server now, I am getting channels A3,6,9 have been disabled. I have tried swapping the 16gb dimms around however these channels always remain disabled. The previous configuration was 8gb sticks populated in the first 2 slots in each channel.. when I reverted to this A3 and A9 worked again (with the new CPU).

I am at a loss as to why the new configuration is not working, all these memory sticks are definitely working as they have been pulled from working machines.

I tried 16gb sticks in a-3 and b1-3 and A3 was disabled again... Seems for whatever reason this slot doesn't like the 16gb sticks?

Also tried swapping CPUs around expecting it to follow cpu1, but error remained on the same dimm.

The BIOS is set to optimizer mode. Any ideas?

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June 30th, 2020 02:00

Hello,


According to this documentation, in order to make the the Intel Xeon 5600 series processor works on a PowerEdge R710 you need to make sure BIOS firmware is updated. So I want to make sure you have the latest BIOS version. Please, can you check your BIOS firmware version and let us know?


You mentioned you want to upgrade from:
12x 4rx8 8gb 8500R
To:
18x 2rx4 16gb 12800R


I need more info about this DIMMs, do you have the brand and part model?


Regarding memory population, DIMMs must be installed in each channel starting with the DIMM farthest from the processor. Population order will be identified by the silkscreen designator and the System Information Label (SIL) located on the chassis cover. For Memory Optimized the population must be: {1, 2, 3}, {4, 5, 6}, {7, 8, 9} for each processor. [Image attached.]


Let me know if this helps.
Regards.

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June 30th, 2020 03:00

Hi

 

Thanks for the response, the bios is 6.6.0 and the comms are as follows;

Samsung M393B2G701H0-YK0 - 16gb 2rx4 pc3l- 12800r

Hynix HMT42GR7MFR4C - 16gb 2rx4 pc3 - 12800r

I did not take note of which module was in each dimm slot as I thought they could all be mixed.

 

Thanks

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June 30th, 2020 08:00

Ok! For the BIOS you are up to date so you should not have any compatibility issue with the CPU. This also includes support for 16GB DIMMs.


In fact, Dual-rank RDIMMs of size 16 GB are supported for a total of up to 288 GB. Which is the amount you want to have. 


As you have 18 modules of 16GB you should populate all DIMM slots: A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, A9 and B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, B6, B7, B8, B9


You also sleected the optimizer mode in the BIOS. There fore, I have no reasons to believe you are setting anything in a incorrect way. I can only think on a hardware failure.


Can you try a smaller configuration with a dual processor and escalate it from them step by step. Like for example: A1, A2 and A3 and B3, B2 and B1 populated with 16GB DIMMs (make sure to check the DIMM ids and populate the correct DIMMs as they are not physical one next to the other).


Let me know if this configuration works.
Regards.

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June 30th, 2020 12:00

Hi

I also attempted populating the first two slots In each channel with the 16s, the same config as the 4rx4 sticks and A3 and 7 were disabled again

I would have agreed with hardware failure, but why do the quad rank dimms work in that slot?

Thanks

 

 

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June 30th, 2020 13:00

Mirroring is definitely not enabled.. if it were a compatibility thing, shouldn't it have not worked at all?

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June 30th, 2020 13:00


As it is disabling channel 3 I would verify if mirroring is enabled in the BIOS, also I am not showing the specific dimms as supported in the server as well. So it may be a question of compatibility. 

Let us know.

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June 30th, 2020 21:00

Hi,

 

The issue seems familiar to me, I have seen upgrades with 4Gb DRAMs on Nehalem-based Xeon microprocessors wouldn't work. Based on your 16gb 2rx4 memory, the calculation for DRAM is 4Gb. You might have issues on compatibility with memory and processor. 

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July 1st, 2020 14:00

So the server supports 288gb of memory, what is the supported combination of memory and CPU then?

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July 1st, 2020 23:00

Hi,

 

For Nehalems, best to have 2Gb DRAM. 2RX4 has 4Gb DRAM and 4RX4 has 2GBb DRAM.

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July 2nd, 2020 15:00

Is that documented anywhere? Surely people have working 2rx4 setups?

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July 3rd, 2020 02:00

Sure! You have all documentation for the PowerEdge R710 here: Documentation

More specifically, you have the General Memory Module Installation from July 2013 

And the Information Update - System Memory from October 2012 

 

You also have the Hardware Owner's Manual where you can find all memory related information (Page 129)

The mayor problem I see here is the modules not being shown as compatible for the server. When @DELL-Chris H mentioned about it possibly being a compatibility issue. You replied "if it were a compatibility thing, shouldn't it have not worked at all?" and I would like you to understand that this is the problem about compatibility issues. It does not mean it won't work, it means it is not compatible / not supported. It can work, but not as you expect.

 

As you mention in your last comment: "Surely people have working 2rx4 setups?" I agree on that. Maybe in the Community there is somebody who has tested this configuration and was able to make it work. The post is open and we will be happy to read further comments about this.

 

Regards.

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July 3rd, 2020 14:00

Thank you for the links, I have been through them and have not been able to find anything around your comments regarding the CPU and quad rank memory.  Can you please be more specific?

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July 3rd, 2020 16:00

Up to 1033MHz (8500) memory is supported for 4R memory (this matches what you have that works).
Up to 1333MHz (10600) memory is supported for 2R memory.

I may have missed something somewhere, but in none of the docs did I see that 12800 (1600MHz) is a supported speed. Yes, RAM will *usually* clock down, but I wonder if it is unable to in this case OR if your timings are too fast for this server (or in combination, it can't properly negotiate with them.

Take a look at the specifications listed here to compare with your setup:

https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/server-poweredge-r710-tech-guidebook.pdf

(Most of the docs previously posted reference memory population rules, but the above link was not included and is generally easier to understand and more complete (even if more often out of date), including info about quad-rank memory, but that appears to be irrelevant to this thread as you are trying to get the 2R modules working ... right?)

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July 4th, 2020 02:00

Thanks for the link and yes correct trying to get dual rank 16gb 12800s working !

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