Willing
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VNX 5200 vault drives

Hi,

I realize that VNX5200 unlike VNX5600 does not seem to support the 4 drive vault pack e.g. 4 x 300GB SAS for the vault drives. They have minimum and maximum quantity base configs for base DPE 2.5" SAS drives starting from a quantity of 8 up to 25.  Working with a specific requirement for 1 x R6 (14+2) 600GB with 2 spares, I decided that not not waste the drives from the minimum DPE base config of 8 x 600GB , I assume that the system should use the first 4 drives for the vault drives, giving a difference remaining of 4 drives.

I would then add the 4 drives + 18 additional drives =  4 + 18=22 ( 4 vault + ((14+2))+ 2 spares). 1 spare for vault and 1 spare for homogeneous Pool1. 22 drives in all, same size and speed.

Objective and questions:

  • Let me know if I can use this format moving forward for vault sizing for the VNXs considering no vault packs for certain models
  • What should be take into consideration when using the remaining drives from the default drive starter kits in the config e.g.the 8 to 25 starter kits
  • Can the remaining drives from the drive starter kits be used as part of a storage pool and raid group
  • My objective is to not waste the remaining drives from the drive starter kits as best as possible. Any advice other than the direction I am taking
  • Is a spare disk required for vault drives or not really as I have seen many configs without a vault drive spare

Thanks

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ZaphodB
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Re: VNX 5200 vault drives

Just a customer but I think I've got a couple of these:

The vault data is never rebuilt to a hot spare.  That data is location specific, so rebuilding it elsewhere would do no good.

In VNX2, if you select 300GB vault drives, there is no room for user data, so a vault pack of 4 x 300GB disks does not require a hot spare. 

In your config with only 600GB disks, you would not need to reserve two spares.

In pricing small 5200 configurations, I have noted that the starter 25 x whatever-disk are aggressively priced, and probably cost less than manually configuring a unit with mixed, or a few less, disks.

If the 14+2R6 configuration provided all the space that you required, then I would likely incorporate the 'extra' disks one of several ways:

4 vault disks, plus one hot spare, leaving 20.

1) a single pool with 4 x (4+1R5).  Similar capacity to the single 14+2, more flexibility in LUN type (thin/thick/etc.), and highly reliable.

2) two RAID groups of 8+2R6.  Slightly better capacity and reliability, with the ability to use LUNs and/or MetaLUNs to either isolate some LUNs from others, or engage all the spindles.  You also get Symmetric Active/Active host multipathing by using RAID groups rather than pools.

3) four RAID groups of 4+1R5.  Avoid R6 penalties while still providing fairly robust fault tolerance, plus other benefits as above.  This is actually how I have a few 5200 and 5300 units with full 125 x 600GB disks configured for use with Oracle DBs.  It isn't Flash-level performance, but I can construct MetaLUNs with workload appropriate numbers of spindles beneath them, and their performance under load is reliable and stable.

4) stick with your original plan and leave the 'extras' unallocated at the moment.  They will cost relatively little to acquire, and give you some flexibility should you either desire to re-work things.  You might, perhaps, decide to make a 2+2R10 or 3+1R5 for some type of logging, or for OS volumes...or whatever.

My $0.02

Willing
2 Bronze

Re: VNX 5200 vault drives

Hi Zaphod,

Thanks much for your input.

Considering I stick to the 22 x 600GB drives for both vault and storage provisioning, that would mean 4 drives for the vault, 18 drives for R6(14+2) + 2 spares to take care of vault if it will hold user data and for the storage pool.  Fast Cache 3 drives will fill the DPE to full use 25.

This leads me to the following question:

  • What I would like to confirm from a quantity of drive and allocation aspect is:  Can drives that are remaining from a starter driver kit e.g. 8,12 or 25 kits, after the vault drives usage, be used to create storage pools and Raid Groups.
  • I know you can mix drives of same type not necessarily same size but not recommended different speeds in Storage Pools (Homogeneous or Hetro).  But e.g. say you have 5 x 600GB SAS 10K 2.5 drives remaining after the vault drives are used, can these be put into a Storage Pool that uses 900GB SAS 10K 3.5 drives or can the 5 x 600GB drives only be used as a seperate RG

Below are 3 capacity images for the 1st scenario

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When I use the second scenario and try to select the remaining 2.5 " drives after the vault allocation to the Pool, the capacity calculator automatically adds an additional 25 2.5" DAE. Not sure why so that is why I have the remaining drives in a RG. But this led me to my second question above.  Below are 3 capacity images for the second scenario

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Thanks

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brettesinclair
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Re: VNX 5200 vault drives

1.     Yes, you can use disks that remain as you please, Raid Group or Pool.

2.     Yes you can mix drives of different sizes of the same architecture, but it goes against EMC best practice.

also consider that although the Vault partitions will not be covered by spare policy, if you create User LUNs using the Vault drives, they will be covered by spares. Keep that in your calculations.

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