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Re: Laptop Very Very Slow to Start Up


You still have some security issues that your helper needs to address.

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Re: Laptop Very Very Slow to Start Up

Thanks Bugbatter.

Chris, looks like I bailed prematurely. What next steps do you recommend.

Thanks Geoff.

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Hi Chris, any further recomendations to close this one out?

Thansk Geoff.

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Hey Geoff,

Sorry, was out of town for a few days for business. Nope, I don't have anymore suggestions or recommendations for this issue if you say everything is working. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Thanks Geoff! Happy Thanksgiving.





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Geoff, there is a reason why we have a list of trained analysts at the top of this forum.  Other members have good intentions, but we do malware cleaning in a prescribed manner and stay updated on infections and tool changes 24/7.  Anyone can jump into helping on the other Dell forums, and we encourage members to do that, but it is preferred for the safety of the users that the trained folks work these logs one-to-one. As long as everything is working well, I'm not going back to "square one" with you, however I do need to inform you of a couple of concerns. You may want to print these instructions so that you can follow them easily.

You have Viewpoint installed. Viewpoint developed a behavioral targeting product in 2006. Viewpoint is associated with a program called viewmgr.exe and the ViewPoint Media Player.
Viewpoint is bundled with AOL, AOL Instant Messenger, Adobe Atmosphere, Netscape 7, etc and sometimes not mentioned in the license agreement. Hardware manufacturers pre-install some of these applications.
ViewPoint Toolbar will redirect your search queries and also transmits non personally identifiable information back to their servers. The Viewpoint Toolbar is listed is also classified as a threat in the CounterSpy Threat Library because it hijacks your search queries and also transmits non personally identifiable information back to their servers.
Viewpoint Manager is a media player often bundled with AIM software. Viewpoint Manager is a useless add on.
Because Viewpoint's software will track your web surfing and tailor advertisements based on the web pages you are visiting, I suggest you remove the program.
** Note: Removing Viewpoint Media Player may cause the program that bundled it to not function as intended. For AOL and AIM it is needed to use their 3D icons known as Super Buddies and for customized themes, etc.
If you wish to remove Viewpoint, end process on ViewManager in Task Manager.
Go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs and remove the following programs if present.

  • Viewpoint
  • Viewpoint Manager
  • Viewpoint Media Player
  • Viewpoint Toolbar
  • Viewpoint Experience Technology

Then remove the Viewpoint folder in your Program Files.

Please remove ATF Cleaner. Reboot. 

Download and scan each user profile with CCleaner (a good utility to keep and use regularly and it cleans more than ATF Cleaner.):


** Select to download the SLIM version.

** Because CCleaner removes everything in temp folders, if you have anything saved in a temp folder, back it up or move it to a permanent folder prior to running CCleaner.

** We will be cleaning cookies as well. Make a note of any passwords, etc. that you want to save. If you do not want to delete cookies, simply uncheck that option.

1. Before first use, select Options > Advanced and UNCHECK "Only delete files in Windows Temp folder older than 48 hours"

2. Then select the items you wish to clean up. In the Windows Tab:

  • Clean all entries in the "Internet Explorer" section.
  • Clean all the entries in the "Windows Explorer" section
  • Clean all entries in the "System" section.
  • Clean all entries in the "Advanced" section.
  • Clean any others that you choose. In the Applications Tab:
  • Clean all in the Firefox/Mozilla section if you use it.
  • Clean all in the Opera section if you use it.
  • Clean Sun Java in the Internet Section.
  • Clean any others that you choose.

3. Click the "Analyze" button. When the list of files comes up, click the "Run Cleaner" button.

4. A pop up box will appear advising this process will permanently delete files from your system.

5. Click "OK" and it will scan and clean your system.

6. Click "exit" when done. REBOOT.

Your Java is out of date. Older versions have vulnerabilities that malware can use to infect your system. It is possible that you may be running Java code in your applications that absolutely require a specific version of the JRE to run. Please follow these steps to remove older version Java components and update.

  • Download the latest version of Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 6.
  • Scroll down to where it says Java SE Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 Update 17 .
  • Click the "Download" button to the right.
  • Check the box that says: "Accept License Agreement".
  • NOTE: As always during installations, beware of any pre-checked option to install a toolbar. If you do not want it, UNcheck it.
  • The page will refresh.
  • Click on the link to download Windows Offline Installation with or without Multi-language and save to your desktop.
  • Close any programs you may have running - especially your web browser.
  • Go to Start > Control Panel double-click on Add/Remove programs and remove all older versions of Java.
  • Check any item with Java Runtime Environment (JRE or J2SE) in the name.
  • Click the Remove or Change/Remove button.
  • Repeat as many times as necessary to remove each of the Java versions.
    Close Add/Remove.

  • * In Windows Explorer, navigate to C:\Program Files\Java =this folder. Delete any subfolders.
    * Do NOT delete C:\Program Files\JavaVM =this folder, if found!
  • Reboot your computer once all Java components are removed.
  • Then from your desktop double-click on jre-6u17-windows-i586.exe to install the newest version.

Delete the downloaded installation file after completing the above procedure and reboot if not prom...

If everything is still running well....

Please flush the XP System Restore Points: (Using XP, you must be logged in as Administrator to do this.)

Go to Start>Run and type msconfig Press enter.

When msconfig opens, click the Launch System Restore Button.

On the next page, click the System Restore Settings Link on the left.

Check the box labeled Turn Off System Restore.

Reboot. Go back in and turn System Restore ON. A new Restore Point will be created.


You asked about Startup programs. You may want to check out Winpatrol.  Many of us security folks use that. There is a free version as well as a more comprehensive paid version. It will give you a description of your Startups and Services. http://www.winpatrol.com/

Free version is available on the d/l page: http://www.winpatrol.com/download.html

I'm sure I gave these to you the last time I worked with you, but again, here is my standard list of simple steps that you can take to reduce the chance of infection in the future.

If you have used Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware as part of your cleaning procedures, keep it updated and use it to scan every so often for malware, or upgrade to the paid version for realtime scanning and auto updating.

The following suggestions are general prevention and are not customized for your computer. You may have already taken some of these steps, and depending on your current security, you may not need to implement all of these:

1. Visit Microsoft Update: Make sure that you have all the Critical Updates recommended for your operating system, Office, and IE. The first defense against infection is a properly patched OS from Microsoft Update at update.microsoft.com. More info HERE.

2. Please use a firewall and realtime anti-virus. Keep the anti-virus software and firewall software up to date.

3.You might consider installing Mozilla / Firefox.

4. Do not use file sharing. Even the safest P2P file sharing programs that do not contain bundled spyware, still expose you to risks because of the very nature of the P2P file sharing process. By default, most P2P file sharing programs are configured to automatically launch at startup. They are also configured to allow other P2P users on the same network open access to a shared directory on your computer. The reason for this is simple. File sharing relies on its members giving and gaining unfettered access to computers across the P2P network. However, this practice can make you vulnerable to data and identity theft. Even if you change those risky default settings to a safer configuration, the act of downloading files from an anonymous source greatly increases your exposure to infection. That is because the files you are downloading may actually contain a disguised threat. Many very malicious worms and trojans, such as the Storm Worm, target and spread across P2P files sharing networks because of their known vulnerabilities.

5. Before using or purchasing any Spyware/Malware protection/removal program, always check the following Rogue/Suspect Spyware Lists. http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm http://www.malwarebytes.org/database.php

6. If you have not already done so, you might want to install CCleaner and run it in each user's profile: http://www.ccleaner.com/ ** UNcheck the option to install the Yahoo toolbar that is checked by default for the Standard version, or download the toolbar-free versions (Slim or Basic) when given the option for those.

7.Web Of Trust , uses colored alerts to warn about risky websites warns you about risky websites that try to scam visitors, deliver malware or send spam. Protect your computer against online threats by using WOT as your front-line layer of protection when browsing or searching in unfamiliar territory. WOT's color-coded icons show you ratings for 21 million websites, helping you avoid the dangerous sites:

  • Red for Warning = STOP
  • Yellow for Use Caution
  • Green for Safe
  • Grey for Unknown

There is a Web Of Trust version for Firefox as well.

8. You might consider installing SpywareBlaster: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
It will:
Prevent the installation of ActiveX-based spyware, adware, browser hijackers, dialers, and other potentially unwanted software.
Block spyware/tracking cookies in Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox.
Restrict the actions of potentially unwanted sites in Internet Explorer.
Tutorial here:http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/tutorial49.html
Periodically check for updates

9. Here are some helpful articles:
"How did I get infected?"

"I'm not pulling your leg, honest"
by Sandi Hardmeier

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Hi Bugbatter, I am very grateful that you kept an eye on this thread for me. Thanks for your follow up instructions on this. I have removed Viewpiont, run CCleaner, updated Java and re-run Malwarebytes which reported zero infections and zero malicious items. 

Once again many thanks for your thorough and detailed approach. Kindest Regards Geoff.

PS: Whilst your instruction Chris rectified the immediate problem and I thank you for that, I was left a little uncomfortable that the underlying cause was not identified and that there still remained some tidy up. You obviously like to help and your assistance was much appreciated, can I suggest that you formalise your credentials on this forum by taking on the training and applying to become a trained analyst. Best Regards Geoff.

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Hi Geoff,

You are most welcome. I'm glad we were able to help.
NOTE: The issue has been resolved, so this thread is now closed.
Everyone else who is having a similar issue, please begin a New Message at the top of the forum.

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