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triggs88
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ScaleIO license removal

Hi Guys,

Been trying to get an answer for ages and can't seem to be able to.

I want to know if it is at all possible to remove an license on a ScaleIO environment?

Thanks,

Triggs

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dstratton
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Re: ScaleIO license removal

in my personal experience

the license is only a paper license...
we don’t' stop the data or disable anything
it's fully functional whether there is a license or not
now if license doesn't have enough capacity, putting the license back in with a wrongful amount probably will fail to add the license
for that you will have to get licensing involved, if there’s not enough capacity to handle the new node, as licenses are based upon capacity.


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triggs88
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Hi guys,

Thanks for your responses...

This was a production environment, but we want to now use this as a staging/dev environment, but want to remove the capacity limits so that we can add more dev machines onto that environment.

This will give us a replica of live when we recreate a new production environment.

Thanks,

John

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osaddict
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Re: ScaleIO license removal

Hello,

If you read the EULA, the product is free to use only for evaluation and demonstation purposes. If you look at the text you agree to when downlading, you will see the section below. This mean that even for development and test environments, a license is required.

"

E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.

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c0redump
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Hello osaddict,

as explained yesterday to Pawel I'm working with a commecial licensed version of ScaleIO (TIER1).

I understood why triggs88 is asking this feature. Think about this scenario: I'd like to try to import some data for a new project because I have to demonstrate to a customer that my cloud infrastructure is suitable to host his services on my cloud infrastructure and I need temporarly some extra space to let him check the services (before contract stipulation). I know that the ScaleIO storage is in production for the storage space already licensed but I have also some space used for evaluation (temporarly). If the hypothetical customer is satisfied he will sign the contract then I can license the extra ScaleIO space.

I don't have problems to license more space with a signed contract but often I have to demonstrate that the VMs of a customer work well on our infrastructure in advance.

Switching back to trial can be useful in that scenario.

For example when I contacted ScaleIO presales I asked if the size limit was really locked. Our company for example sometimes need to extend capacity on request (immediately) and it takes a bit to license the extra space because we have to:

- contact the EMC sales team

- wait for an offer

- confirm it

- wait for license release

Our company is small so buy a bigger license in advance can be a problem. The EMC presales team (when we bought ScaleIO) replied me that the the limit is only administrative (written on paper) and that I could go temporarly over the limit (because the size is not really locked) and then acquire contact them to license the additional space. They said that the only drawback is that support is suspended until our full “RAW storage space” is officially licensed. We are in production from 19 days with ScaleIO and I understood that this is a wrong statement when I read the post of triggs88. I have all the emails of presales support stating what I’m saying.

A little bit of flexibility from this point of view can help little companies that can't license in advance bigger amount of storage space without really overcome the license.

That's why I think that the request of triggs88 make sense.

Kind regards,

Davide

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c0redump
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Hello osaddict,

I know that is a completely different type of product because is based on monthly basis payments but for example Microsoft SPLA permits customer evaluation:

- it permits to fully license a product for up to 60 days to provide software services to prospective customers.

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That is extracted from the SPLA datasheet.

In the past I realized a virtual infrastructure to permit a customer to evaluate it. At the first SPLA report I had already the contract signed so I reported that licenses immediately because the contract in this scenario mark the switching in production.

I could understand that talking about storage is different but, I think, that the evaluation period from the point of view of the final customer is important. ScaleIO is used also from cloud infrastructure provider that deliver services to final customers.

That is only my opinion, obviously EMC can decide how it's software can be used and all the customer have to respect these decisions. Maybe EMC can evaluate if the depicted scenarios could be covered by the contract (in some way).

Kind Regards,

Davide

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triggs88
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Hi osaddict,

Davide, hit the nail on the head really.  Sometimes we struggle to show the customers what ScaleIO can really do if we don't have the flexibility of evaluation license.

If we really did upgrade the license to allow more storage and then the customer decides to not purchase the product then we lost the money, so you can see the chicken and egg situation that alot of providers/resellers are struggling with.

Thanks,

John

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triggs88
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Hi osaddict,

Just wondering if you have had a look at the case and if you can help any further?

Kind regards,

John

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osaddict
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Can you explain the reason to remove the license?

You would only need to do that if you had added a ScaleIO license. If you install ScaleIO and don't add a license, there are no limits to the system. Just no support.

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triggs88
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Re: ScaleIO license removal

Hi guys,

Thanks for your responses...

This was a production environment, but we want to now use this as a staging/dev environment, but want to remove the capacity limits so that we can add more dev machines onto that environment.

This will give us a replica of live when we recreate a new production environment.

Thanks,

John

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