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Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

It is better to use Windows 7 instead of using Win 8 with full of bugs.

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jini ... ??

Sorry to throw a kink in your poll nat, but it shouldn't be "skewed", right? ... the out-of-box interface does not bother me at all.  I have yet to use a touch interface (except for playing at Best Buy, which I do like), but I run it on two laptops and one desktop with dual 20" monitors.

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

jini ... ??

Sorry to throw a kink in your poll nat, but it shouldn't be "skewed", right? ... the out-of-box interface does not bother me at all.  I have yet to use a touch interface (except for playing at Best Buy, which I do like), but I run it on two laptops and one desktop with dual 20" monitors.

Its a poll so of course state your own opinion. Theres a link to the poll on my Windows Reinstallation Guide and I know people who want to downgrade to Windows 7 from Windows 8 will look at my guide however people who want to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8 will also look at the guide so it hopefully shouldn't be skewed.

I personally prefer Windows 7 and temporarily upgraded my XPS 8300 Desktop with Dual Dell IN2030M monitors to Windows 8. I downgraded back down to Windows 7 due to personal loss of productivity and annoyances.

I have upgraded 1 laptop to Windows 8 and Windows 8 will stay on that solely because my HP Printer driver works well on Windows 8 and not so well on Windows Vista/7. I will install StartIsBack on it however as my preference is for the WIndows 7 UI.

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Why in the world is Dell not allowing PC's to be configured with Windows 7 on their website anymore? Microsoft is allowing OEM's to sell Windows 7 on their PC's until 2014, so what gives?! I wanted an XPS laptop, but Windows 8 prevails, so Dell just lost money on a potential sale! Also, why aren't we allowed to choose Windows 8 Pro if we want it? What gives with Dell lately?

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Why in the world is Dell not allowing PC's to be configured with Windows 7 on their website anymore? Microsoft is allowing OEM's to sell Windows 7 on their PC's until 2014, so what gives?! I wanted an XPS laptop, but Windows 8 prevails, so Dell just lost money on a potential sale! Also, why aren't we allowed to choose Windows 8 Pro if we want it? What gives with Dell lately?

What particular model of XPS are you interested in? What region are you in, the US or?

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I was interested in the XPS 15. I'm a little disturbed about the lack of being able to choose hardware options on it as well. 😕 I am in the United States.
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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

3 of the variants here have Windows 7 http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/xps-15-l521x/pd

The last one has the option for Windows 8 or Windows 8 professional:

It does seem like they don't let you select the one with the variant with the best CPU and Graphics with Windows 7 however.

Edit they do, its under view all configurations. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=sxps2152&model_id=xps-15-l521x&c=us&l=en&s=soh...

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

That, and you can't use a personal Preferred account to buy a laptop in the Home & Small Office section. 😞

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

select the chat now to the top right, one of the Dell sales reps will be able to assist you.

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I did. They were very apologetic, but totally useless.

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I'll give in my vote after about a week of using Windows 8.

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

I'll give in my vote after about a week of using Windows 8.

Sure you need to play around with it and you will see if you like or dislike it.

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I agree. I tried it and didn"t like it. It's one of those "love it or hate it" deals. It's why I don't think Windows 8 will do well, unfortunately. There's not really any adequate middle ground. It's why I don't think Dell made a good choice by going almost totally Windows 8 at this point. They need to give an either/or choice for consumers re: Windows 7/8

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I hated windows 8 when I got it on release day. My initial thoughts were "I bet this is great on a tablet, but I hate it on my desktop". And I really did hate it, with a passion - I'd boot up my rubbish work-provided laptop rather than start up my brand new Alienware for most things.

But then, over time, a strange thing happened - I found myself becoming frustrated with my windows 7 laptop for not being as easy and intuitive as my PC. When did this happen? how strange!

The fact is that our brains are hardwired to create subconscious routines that allow us to autopilot most tasks whilst our conscious mind is working on something else (how often do you think about the process for getting food from your plate to your mouth when using a fork? How much harder is it to use chopsticks? I'll bet you're concentrating then, even if you're moderately adept at using them). When these subconscious routines are disrupted, it's extremely difficult for us to compensate and we feel actual discomfort or irritation.

Over time though, a miraculous thing happens - your brain begins to embed the new processes and routines and before you know it you're flying. But you have to be willing to give it time.

I've read so many hate reviews of windows 8 and themes are generally the same: "I want the start menu back", "turning off is a pain", "I want the taskbar back", I can only undertake bask actions in the homescreen so I spend all day on the desktop anyway" etc etc. But the reality is, none of these statements reflect an actual issue, they're just a reflection of our old processes at work.

want the start button? For what - just right click the bottom left corner to get the control panel et al, in one fewer step than before.

Miss the taskbar? why? its right there on the left of the screen AND the programs use a fraction of the system resource that they did before when they are in the background.

want to use some of the more advanced system tools but the homescreen doesn't let you access them? Easy, enable show administrative tools. If its something even more specialist than those, type it in the search and you'll find it in about 5 steps fewer than you used to.

Come on people, Windows 7 is built on a user interface which is two decades old. Are we seriously saying that we want things to stay stuck like that forever? That its the best that can ever be achieved? That we will punish companies that innovate and dare to try to change things for the better by refusing to buy their products?

All this sounds exactly like the uproar that occurred with the arrival of smartphones "I only want to talk and text - this is all to complicated! I don't want a touchpad, I just want a phone with 10 keys and a hangup/dial button! Why would anyone want a camera, or the internet, on a phone?"

come on people, give it a chance! Work with your Windows 8 for a couple of months, get to know it. Start looking at how you can take advantage of the new environment to change how you do things, instead of trying to shoe-horn the new OS into working in the way you used to work in win7. Once you flip your perspective, you'll love it.

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I DID try it. I STILL hate Windows 8. Why do you think I'm upset with Dell for foisting this farce onto every home user instead of giving people a choice?

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Dell is NOT the only OEM with limited availability of Windows 7 machines.  I think Microsoft "encourages" OEM's to push Windows 8.  So, it does little good to get upset with Dell, when they are doing what everyone else is doing - except for if you have greater expectations of Dell than the likes of HP, Lenovo, etc.  

Currently, 20% of HP laptops are configurable with Windows 7 ... 30% of Dell laptops are configurable with Windows 7.

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HP has some Windows 7 PC's available on their website. While Dell does, too, you're not allowed to custome configure the hardware (Alienware is overpriced and thus doesn't count, IMO). 😞

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I was going to wait and buy my Aurora R4 around Christmas, but because I knew Dell would be putting Windows 8 on everything that came out the door, I bought it early so I could have Windows 7. I had played around with the pre-release version of Windows 8 and hated it. My granddaughter who is a collage student bought a new laptop about the time windows 8 was released and it had windows 8 on it. Her and the two other young ladies in her dorm room hated it also. The store where she bought the computer still had a couple with Windows 7, so she returned the Windows 8 laptop and got one with 7 even though she had to pay more because it was a better laptop. So it's just not us old toads who don't care for change who don't like Windows 8. I have not talked to anyone who really likes Windows 8. I think it's going to be another Windows Me.

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I noticed on the Dell Asia-Pacific sales sites that they are still selling Windows 7. What I'd like to know is why we aren't afforded the same courtesy here in the States. That's just wrong!

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Unless and until PC games start working properly and clearly in Windows 8, I'm NOT touching it! It'll probably take M.S. around a month or two before they can get an update for the graphics problem in 8.

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I don't like Win 8 at all - will stick with Win 7.  I just bought an Inspiron 660 before I understood the difficulty of removing Win 8 and installing Win 7; now I have to investigate a return or major effort to install Win 7.

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I believe that is because there is an option you have to change in the UEFI startup utility that locks the PC into using Windows 8. Turn that toggle off, and you should be able to install Windows 7.

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I just got this Inspirion 17r SE in last night and I like to think I'm open minded with change but I can't stand Windows 8 so far. I will be giving it a fair chance. If it does not pan out I guess I'll be sending it back. I wish they gave you an option to get Windows 7 I would have gone this route at least I knwo my work apps would work right off the bat.

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

Yes you can I did it.  I bought a laptop for my son and used my Dell Preferred Account to buy it no problem.  Is this something that just started?

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

Windows 7 remains separately available.

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When my aunt needed a new laptop, we ordered what we thought was a great deal from Dell..  It was an Inspiron 3520.  It had Win8 on it.  emoticon.Crying.title    I had to learn it before I could teach her, and I thought, who in the <ADMIN NOTE: Substitute character removed as per TOU> would want this crap?   I suppose my brain is one of those that is hard wired to do things by auto pilot, but after three weeks of setting it up, dealing the bugs, Library Files being a big one, playing with it and getting it to where she could feel fairly comfortable with it, I still hated it.   What's more, my aunt hates it too!   She has had it now for 4 months and asked me if I can uninstall Win8 and install win7 on it?  I don't know.  Can I?  I have an Inspiron 1545 running Vista and ahppen to have my Vsta OS on disk, can I un-install Win8 from her 64 bit Win8 laptop and install my 32 bit Vista OS on hers?   Or can we only swap 64 bit to 64 bit?  If I can install Win7, is there any safe, free version available or do we have to buy it?   Just seems like our great deal is running into $$$$.    I really really Hate Win8.  

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

Since it is an Inspiron it means Windows 8 was installed on it and not Windows 8 Professional. Therefore you have no downgrade rights to Windows 7.

You must purchase an additional license to use Windows 7.

You cannot use your Dell Windows Vista Reinstallation DVD as you won't be licensed.

If you are going to install Windows 7 the best solution is to purchase the OEM or System builders version of Windows 7 from the likes of Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 as its the cheapest and an upgrade license isn't eligible (although many users regard 7 as an upgrade to 8). Note the Windows 7 OEM license is non-transferable and will always be tied to the original machine you install it on which is fine for most people. The retail full version is more expensive at about twice the price with the only advantage being that it can be transferred from an old PC to a new PC. 

My Windows Reinstallation Guide/A Clean Install of Windows 7 will help you with respect to the installation. Ensure you make the Dell DataSafe recovery media just in case:

http://philipyip.wordpress.com/dell-community-forums/ 

Note also you may wish to try installation of Start8 and Modernmix. These will make Windows 8 act more like Windows 7, you can evaluate both for 30 days and to pay they are $5 each but much cheaper than a Windows 7 license.

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Thank you for giving your time and expertise to help those of us who need it!   You are appreciated more than you know!  I'll save this info, links.. until we decide which way to proceed.

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I would like to add, for those who don't know what ModernMix is: ModernMix is a program that Startdock created to allow people to use Windows 8 apps in desktop mode... in a windows... no full screen required.

If Microsoft had done this and kept the start menu, no one would have batted an eye at a new PC purchase. I still think Dell is making a mistake by not allowing people to choose from Windows 7 or 8 on ALL of their PC's, but that's just me. emoticon.Cool.title

At any rate, thank you for the poll. It seems a lot of people want Windows 7, and urge Dell to allow the choice in their PC lineup online.

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I am still using an approximately ten year old Dell desktop: Dimension 2350. It has had some upgrades and repairs but I'm dreading the withdrawal of support for XP next year. I might buy a Windows 7 machine, but given the reviews and detailed comments on the 'net I would rather go to Linux than to Windows 8.  I do a wide variety of work on my PC, from word-processing and emailing to programming in C and running a 'legacy' DOS-based database in the C:\ prompt window.  I do not want fancy screens - I need a conventional mouse and keyboard. An ability to run 'legacy' MS-DOS software is essential to part of my work because some of it offers me a flexibility that is simply not available in Access and similar current databases. Can one get a C:\ prompt window in Windows 8?  If not, it will be useless to me.

It is pointless for me, as one individual, to suggest to Microsoft that they need to consider more traditional users when they create new operating systems. However, I think that Dell, as one of the big players in the PC field, should interact more strongly with Microsoft, to stress that many of Dell's customers want an operating system designed primarily for serious work on office desktop PCs - forget about touch screens and 'intuitive' interfaces that appeal to those mesmerised by the glamour of tablets and smartphones.

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

Not only can you get c "C:\" prompt on Windows 7, you can also get it on Windows 8.  Windows 7 and 8 both support legacy devices.   I current own PCs running Windows 7 and Windows 8

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

"Can one get a C:\ prompt window in Windows 8?"

Yes, the command prompt works the same way in Windows 8.

"run 'legacy' MS-DOS software"

64-bit Windows 7 and 8 will not run 16-bit applications.  Legacy apps may or may not work in Windows 7 or 8; there are many compatibility modes, but they are not guaranteed to make your legacy software run.  Virtualization is an easy alternative when the compatibility modes do not work (Windows 7 includes a compatibility mode called XP Mode (in Windows 7 Pro and higher), but that still requires you to run a vulnerable, outdated OS (if only XP will do).

"I do a wide variety of work on my PC, from word-processing and emailing to programming in C"
"many of Dell's customers want an operating system designed primarily for serious work on office desktop PCs"

If you hear people say that Windows 8 is not "designed primarily for serious work", take it with a grain of salt, and possibly an indication of their resistance to change rather than the OS's inability to let you work.  I'm as power-user as anyone (programming, database, web design, network/system/user management, security, virtualization, games, etc.) and switched to Windows 8 when it was released with no problems adapting or doing "serious work".  I realize that many people do not like Windows 8, but it is not that different from Windows 7, and there are many tools that will give people back what they feel they may have lost in Windows 8, like the Start button (although, I do not personally feel I need it).  

"forget about touch screens"
"I need a conventional mouse and keyboard"

Windows 8 does not take away the mouse and keyboard.  It offers touch features (as did Windows 7), but can be used with a mouse and keyboard EXACTLY the same way as any OS.

Read all the reviews you want, but I'd suggest you make up your own mind. 

If you get a PC with Windows 8 Pro, you can downgrade to Windows 7 Pro as part of your license.

You can also download an evaluation of Windows 8 to try it out, but I doubt your existing PC will be able to run a modern OS.

Good luck.

 

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some people just have a problem with change. when I got my first computer (commodore vic 20) I had to learn dos. whow a long time ago.

then came windows didn't think it would last and was hard to learn. then the various windows along the way, with their good and bad points.

Now another windows,with touch screen none the less. whew where will it end. I hope it never will because as it changes so do we. sometimes good

sometimes bad but it all works out in the end . and yes I do find win 8 a challenge but I do like it.

 

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I love how you supporters keep saying that. Like insulting a huge swath of people is really going to change their minds to your way of thinking. Anyway, it's irrelevant. Change is good. This is change bourn out of Microsoft's desperation to make a dent in the mobile market. I've used 8. I've taken the time to get used to 8. But let me say this: If it weren't $14.99, I wouldn't have bothered. I had a bad taste in my mouth during the Consumer Preview, and 8 in its final form is still very clunky and unproductive on a non touch device. That's my opinion, anyway. I won't begrudge you yours, but please keep in mind I'm not thrilled with the elitist tone you took.

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Re: Windows 8 or Windows 7? What do you prefer?

Not all change is good some features have essentially been removed entirely and no native customisation is left. Different people work in different ways and also for different system types. The poll shows most Desktop and Laptop users without a touchscreen prefer Windows 7.

Moreover there are a number of Desktop user reviews for the XPS 8500 and Inspiron 660 and you will note that many users list Windows 8 as a con, much more so than those that list it as a pro.

A Touchscreen interface is not necessary for such Desktop PCs and users find it to hinder their productivity. I can use Windows 8 on my Desktop fine but it doesn't mean I like to. It is for me less efficient than Windows 7.

Switching system type to an all in one desktop with Windows 8 the XPS 2710 user review list it more highly.

Not everyone can afford or wants a touchscreen on Desktops however which is why different models are sold. If customisation was available Windows 8 wouldn't have got any near as negative press as it did.

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Microsoft must be taking a good look at all the negative remarks about Windows 8. I see they will be releasing Windows 8.1 blue in the next couple months. Haven't read too much about it, but see where the start button will be coming back as well as being able to boot into the desktop like Windows 7, Vista and XP etc. I personally only know of one person who still has Windows 8 and he is not happy at all with it, so am sure he will get the 8.1 blue update when it's available. Will see if his opinion changes then.

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Well, what's bad about the whole thing is, even though we know windows8 will support all the features everyone wants, it always seems to come with a stipulation that you need to run this software or that, buy this extra or buy that, and even downgrade, if it is not working the way it should, or install Start buttons or go back to older technology when you can't adapt.   Now for a tech savvy person, that's fine.. All that amounts to, is a few minor adjustments for them...  To the beginner, unschooled, and many of our elderly just try to keep in touch with family by e-mail, it is confusion, a headache, and an unwanted expense.   To the tech savvy op who is already burdened with a full schedule, it is bothersome as well..  Most people like to buy an OS and just use the darn thing without having to re-learn everything they have learned over the past 10 years!   And why are we spending all this money for the latest technology, only to have to convert some part of it back to older technology in order to get it to work, or so that we can understand it?  Defeats the purpose, huh!  I have a new laptop w/Windows 8, sitting over in the corner right now, and no time to figure out what all extra I am going to have to purchase, install or downgrade, let alone estimate the amount of time I will need to invest, just to get it to do what I need it to do.. Couple those things with the known bugs it has and the unfamiliar platform...and I don't think too many folks will want to deal with the thing.  Unfortunately, most people, after having invested in a new PC/laptop with a Win8 OS, will not realize what they are getting into until it is too late to return it..  In that regard, having to deal with it or doing without a PC entirely, it will probably be with us for many more years to come...  I knew right away that it was going to be an irritant when I first tried to set it up and found out I had to set a password for Microsoft before I could even access it to configure.  I have never had a password on any of my PCs and all of a sudden I was REQUIRED to have one, and not even one of my choosing that I could easily remember, but one that fit Microsoft's terms.. At least 8 characters, with caps & lowercase, numerals and symbols!  Overkill if you ask me..  And what I finally came up with (one of my own children's name), I still to this day must search my tablet to remember where the underscores, numbers and caps go, whenever it is required.  It seems computer systems are getting even more challenging and complex, instead of easier, as time passes..  Some of us just don't have that much time to deal with it..      

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Oh boy...  Win 8.1?  It will probably require two Microsoft passwords instead of one!  😕

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"stipulation that you need to run this software or that, buy this extra or buy that, and even downgrade, if it is not working the way it should, or install Start buttons or go back to older technology when you can't adapt ... no time to figure out what all extra I am going to have to purchase, install or downgrade"
In my opinion, it doesn't "need" anything extra to be used, but like ALL OS's, you will eventually tweak it to your liking.  For some, they may find that bringing back the Start Menu is more useful, for others (like me), they won't miss it.

"found out I had to set a password for Microsoft before I could even access it to configure"
This step can be skipped and a "local" account created.  A Microsoft account is only needed if you intend to install metro apps from the Microsoft store, and a Microsoft account can be linked to a "local" account for this purpose.

"At least 8 characters, with caps & lowercase, numerals and symbols!  ... I still to this day must search my tablet to remember where the underscores, numbers and caps go, whenever it is required"

Microsoft's actual password policy:

Passwords must have at least 8 characters
Passwords must contain at least two of the following: uppercase letters, lowercase letters, numbers, and symbols
Password can’t contain the part of your email address that comes before the @ sign (existing requirement)

Good luck with Windows 8.

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