Highlighted
MasterX767
6 Indium

Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

I have this really great nine year old Studio XPS 435T/9000 with a Xeon X5690 hexacore CPU. I recently upgraded the GPU to an MSI GTX 1050 ti, the PSU to an EVGA 600w, 192GB of ECC RAM, Windows 10 Home and this M.2 PCIe SSD. Windows recognizes the M.2 SSD. But, the BIOS does not. Since this is NOT a SATA SSD, I can't imagine any SATA settings in the BIOS would effect this drive. I am considering using another Dell BIOS, A17. I currently have the latest BIOS, A16 circa 2011. I need to know if anyone else has had any luck with this? I mean, using Dell's A17 BIOS in this motherboard? Or, getting the OS to boot from the SSD? I really, really want the 2GB/sec read. I have the adapter in the PCIe x8 slot. Although there is a PCIe x8 adapter, I'm only using the x4 adapter. In my research, PCIe 2.1 is supposed to support M.2 SSD's. Can we please get a new BIOS to support this?

0 Kudos
1 Solution

Accepted Solutions
MasterX767
6 Indium

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

I've solved the problem. Here's the solution;

1st: Intel has released open source code for the UEFI and UEFI Platform Initialization (PI) specifications in June 2004. So I actually found a, "Hot Potato" here Dell. This machine was not only sold with incorrect specifications, they are printed all over the motherboard. After further testing of the motherboard, I have discovered that achieving the 6.4 GT/sec. is only possible by installing hardware outside your specifications range. Hmmm..... Oh yea, there's more. The CPU limitation lowers all my RAM to the 800mhz spectrum when I'm supposed to get 1066Mhz. The Xeon X5690 is a Hexacore and a BEAST! 12 threads means I can get a full FPS on the GPU.  

2nd: This computer is a circa 2009? Isn't that 5 years after UEFI was given away free to computer manufacturers? I can see your aggressive stance now. It's not just that, I have these issues, you are aware of them. I wanted to spread information and love for Dell computers here. I can always use Tom's Hardware. I have the solution for those who own this machine. I am not only able to enjoy my Dell computer, but tell people how to resolve issues related to this machine. BTW, the Velocity Solo X2 idea is completely BRILLIANT!

3rd: Xeon chips have WAY more memory addresses that the i7. Although the RAM is ECC, at 192GB you can't tell the difference in speed. As a matter of fact, my kid plays War Thunder and the graphics are out of this world. I couldn't imagine what PCIe 3.0 looks like. HOT ROD, BABY! WHOO!

4th: TianoCore is an open source community where they have developed EDK II. This software is like an extension of the BIOS and can be implemented at startup when the USB boot is selected as the primary boot device. Yes, you will have to forever commit a USB stick to the machine. Who doesn't have one laying around? You can buy an 8GB stick online for less than $2. This machine has several open USB ports and connectors on the MOBO. 

5th: There is an M.2 NGFF NVMe SSD TO PCIE 3.0 X16/X8/X4 adapter on sale for $10 bucks delivered on the WISH app. It gives me as much as 3.5GT/sec. That gives me the full 3.2GB/sec that I am looking for in the read. I'll post some results later. 

Fear not oh mighty Dell. I still love you. I know the RAM will probably fry the low tech capacitors someday. The ASUS P6T SE motherboard will replace it and still run EDK II. But for now kiddies, the X58 chipset is holding what it's supposed to do. I'm resolving the shortcomings and I hope others who read this can also know that the NVMe SSDs are viable to them. BTW, this also works on the P67 and B75 chipsets as well. God bless everyone! \m/

0 Kudos
22 Replies
Moderator
Moderator

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

 

Non-validated items by Dell in this 2009 EOL (end of life) model =
Xeon CPU
Windows 10
SSD
192GB ram

We are not going to write a BIOS for an EOL PC to add support for never validated SSD. Dell never released an A17 BIOS for the 2009 Studio XPS 435T/9000. The last one released was A16 (XPS435T-A16.exe) on 11/3/11. Using a BIOS from another PC model will not work and will break the CMOS.



Social Media Support
#IWork4Dell
Technical Support (Desktops, Monitors, Laptops)
0 Kudos
MasterX767
6 Indium

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

Of course they aren't validated. I am a 38 year experienced MCITP. You really can't expect someone like me to validate buying another MOBO when I know how to hot rod a PC. You made a PC that is supposed to be high performance and to PCIe 2.1 standards. It is clearly only 85% valid. There are several great features one can take advantage of in this PC model. 

I purchased my XPS in  March of 2010 off the Dell website. It was the, "Featured"  performance model. How come you built it with unusable technology? Isn't the premium customer valued? I purchased this computer to be future proof. There are several Dell computers that are more than 3 years old that you write new BIOS for. How come the XPS only gets 1 year?

0 Kudos
8 Krypton

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

Face it, Dell or HP or Lenovo or Acer or whoever PC company is in the business of selling you a new PC.  They are not going to support a PC model forever.  It may have been the "latest and greatest" when it was made, but that is only the "latest and greatest" until new hardware/models come out.  

My computer experience is 57 years.  Including Univac and IBM mainframes and then PC's both in maintenance and commercial operations. 

  



I am not a Dell Employee

Dell forum member since 2002

Dell Inspiron 15 - 5577 Laptop

Home Built Desktop PC with ASUS ROG Z170, i7 6700K CPU

Windows 10 64 bit Pro and Windows 10 Insider Program Beta Versions. SSD drives. Cakewalk by BandLab and Studio One 4.1 Recordng Studio Software.

Dell S2719dgf Monitor

Member of Nashville based R.O.P.E.

0 Kudos
8 Krypton

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

@MasterX767 wrote:

 

1. and this M.2 PCIe SSD.

2. Windows recognizes the M.2 SSD. But, the BIOS does not.

3. Since this is NOT a SATA SSD, I can't imagine any SATA settings in the BIOS would effect this drive. 


1. I guess you have a M.2-2280~PCIe/NVMe-SSD on a PCIe Addin-Card? No, that would not appear in BIOS.  

Some just give up and install a 2.5inch SATA-3/600 SSD (actually, not a bad idea if it works). It's still about 4-times faster than a spinning HDD (and also has crazy-high IOPS). 

2. So, what's the problem exactly?

3. You would not think so, but I've read about it happening quite a bit. 


Registered Microsoft Partner and Apple Developer
- Like many of you, I can appreciate a good game-engine.
- I answer questions here, but I'm not a Dell employee.
- Consider giving posts you like a "thumbs-up"
- Posting models-numbers and software versions speeds trouble-shooting.
- Click "Accept as Solution" button on any post that answers your question best.
8 Krypton

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

I have 47 years of experience with computers starting with Intel 4004 Processor in 1971 with 1702 Eproms.   MSDOS was not available until 1981 and windows XP came out in 2001.  Before MSDos was Apple II DOS in 1977.  3.5 inch floppies came out in 1984 on the Macintosh.

NVME PCI-E booting Requires 2012 or later UEFI BIOS. You do not have that and never will.

If you want to boot SSD get a velocity Solo X2 and put it in the X4 PCI-E Slot.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/398333/apricorn_velocity_solo_x2_pcie_20_x2_to_sata_6gb-s_solid_s...

 

 

There are no issues with windows 10 HOWEVER its not supported so you have to use windows VISTA/7 Drivers for Audio/Video/Intel RST etc.

Regular SSD's can use the Rocket 620

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115072


Report Unresolved Customer Service Issues
here

I do not work for Dell. I too am a user.

The forum is primarily user to user, with Dell employees moderating
Contact USA Technical Support






Get Support on Twitter @DellCaresPro

0 Kudos
MasterX767
6 Indium

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

I've solved the problem. Here's the solution;

1st: Intel has released open source code for the UEFI and UEFI Platform Initialization (PI) specifications in June 2004. So I actually found a, "Hot Potato" here Dell. This machine was not only sold with incorrect specifications, they are printed all over the motherboard. After further testing of the motherboard, I have discovered that achieving the 6.4 GT/sec. is only possible by installing hardware outside your specifications range. Hmmm..... Oh yea, there's more. The CPU limitation lowers all my RAM to the 800mhz spectrum when I'm supposed to get 1066Mhz. The Xeon X5690 is a Hexacore and a BEAST! 12 threads means I can get a full FPS on the GPU.  

2nd: This computer is a circa 2009? Isn't that 5 years after UEFI was given away free to computer manufacturers? I can see your aggressive stance now. It's not just that, I have these issues, you are aware of them. I wanted to spread information and love for Dell computers here. I can always use Tom's Hardware. I have the solution for those who own this machine. I am not only able to enjoy my Dell computer, but tell people how to resolve issues related to this machine. BTW, the Velocity Solo X2 idea is completely BRILLIANT!

3rd: Xeon chips have WAY more memory addresses that the i7. Although the RAM is ECC, at 192GB you can't tell the difference in speed. As a matter of fact, my kid plays War Thunder and the graphics are out of this world. I couldn't imagine what PCIe 3.0 looks like. HOT ROD, BABY! WHOO!

4th: TianoCore is an open source community where they have developed EDK II. This software is like an extension of the BIOS and can be implemented at startup when the USB boot is selected as the primary boot device. Yes, you will have to forever commit a USB stick to the machine. Who doesn't have one laying around? You can buy an 8GB stick online for less than $2. This machine has several open USB ports and connectors on the MOBO. 

5th: There is an M.2 NGFF NVMe SSD TO PCIE 3.0 X16/X8/X4 adapter on sale for $10 bucks delivered on the WISH app. It gives me as much as 3.5GT/sec. That gives me the full 3.2GB/sec that I am looking for in the read. I'll post some results later. 

Fear not oh mighty Dell. I still love you. I know the RAM will probably fry the low tech capacitors someday. The ASUS P6T SE motherboard will replace it and still run EDK II. But for now kiddies, the X58 chipset is holding what it's supposed to do. I'm resolving the shortcomings and I hope others who read this can also know that the NVMe SSDs are viable to them. BTW, this also works on the P67 and B75 chipsets as well. God bless everyone! \m/

0 Kudos
8 Krypton

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

@MasterX767 wrote:

 

1. This computer is a circa 2009? Isn't that 5 years after UEFI was given away free to computer manufacturers?

2. There is an M.2 NGFF NVMe SSD TO PCIE 3.0 X16/X8/X4 adapter on sale for $10 bucks delivered on the WISH app. It gives me as much as 3.5GT/sec. That gives me the full 3.2GB/sec that I am looking for in the read. I'll post some results later. 

3. But for now kiddies, the X58 chipset is holding what it's supposed to do. 


1. Not sure, but I do know that it would be several more years before UEFI systems appeared (from anyone).

2. It would be interesting to hear if you can get this to:
a. Actually boot Windows-10/64bit
b. Run faster than a SATA-3/600 SSD

3. Intel X58 chipset is limited to SATA-2/300


Registered Microsoft Partner and Apple Developer
- Like many of you, I can appreciate a good game-engine.
- I answer questions here, but I'm not a Dell employee.
- Consider giving posts you like a "thumbs-up"
- Posting models-numbers and software versions speeds trouble-shooting.
- Click "Accept as Solution" button on any post that answers your question best.
0 Kudos
8 Krypton

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

CLASS 2.3.1  UEFI aka Windows 8 and 10 came out in 2012.

Class  2.3.1 UEFI is required for PCI-E NVME booting.

You have conventional Class 1  INT 13 DOS Compatible Bios.

Only a UEFI compatible with NVME (UEFI version 2.3.1 and later) along with a "efi driver"/module will allow the computer to POST->BOOT->OS from an NVME drive.

  • The Legacy BIOS sees the card as a generic undefined "SCSI Card" in the boot devices list, but this will not work.
  • The Windows 10 OS - going back to Windows 8.1 (not 8.0 which is EOL) - come with a "Standard NVME Controller driver" which lets Windows use the drive as a storage NOT BOOT drive ( D:\ for example).
  • The Windows 10 Installer sees the drive immediately but refuses to let you install to it because of a double-checking routine which queries the BIOS to make sure your system WOULD be bootable, so it doesn't waste your time installing to something impossible to boot from.
  • The Intel 750 Series PCI-e NVME SSD has an Option ROM  on the card which adds the extensions to BOOT from the drive using UEFI and GPT. (The legacy NON UEFI Option Rom is how the Rocket 620 and the Velocity Solo controllers work with class 1 Bios.)

UEFI3.jpgUEFI Class

 


Report Unresolved Customer Service Issues
here

I do not work for Dell. I too am a user.

The forum is primarily user to user, with Dell employees moderating
Contact USA Technical Support






Get Support on Twitter @DellCaresPro

0 Kudos
Wootboot
1 Copper

Re: Studio XPS 435T/9000, PCIe M.2 SSD, not in BIOS

Jump to solution

Hey @MasterX767, what exactly did you do to your 435T?  I have one as well; it was my wife's work computer for a while but is now transferring duty to my workroom computer.  I found this thread after looking for a way to get larger than 2TB drives to work (I used the v.10.1.0.1008, A00 of the Intel RST), which made the 5TB drive I just got recognizable and, oddly enough, allowed Windows to actually use the 12GB of ram instead of just seeing 12GB and using 8GB as it's been doing the past ~10 years.

If you could detail what worked for you (and what didn't), I'd appreciate it, including links or versions of software/drivers.  Or start another thread somewhere and link it.  The 435T seems like a pretty decent computer given it's age and I see no reason to not kick it up a little bit.

Thanks! 

0 Kudos