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June 21st, 2022 09:00

XPS One 2720, mSATA drive upgrade to larger

I have 2 Dell XPS One 2720 all in 1 computers. One of them is now experiencing a hard drive failure and I am planning on upgrading the drive systems on it. It has the 32 GB mSATA drive and the 2 TB HDD. The HDD is failing. At the same time I want to install a larger mSATA drive, but I see only that a maximum  256GB is mentioned. But, now there are 1 TB mSATA drives as well. What prevents a larger than 265GB drive from being installed?  Is it a BIOS issue? If so, what can be done to improve that 256 GB limit to 1 TB without adding partitions (i.e. I want the entire 1TB to be used for OS and related software, just want the different software apps installed with any resulting data to be on the HDD replacement SSD)?  And can I use a newer 3D NAND versions for increased speeds as well? If so does it require any BIOS changes to make that happen or? 

If successful in my ambitions, lol, I will also repeat this on the second dell unit as well. 

thanks

larry80

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June 22nd, 2022 18:00

I guess you were referring to my post...

You have to do a couple of things to install a new SSD, and in the correct order:

  1. Use iRST app to disable HDD acceleration on the existing HDD

  2. Make sure PC still boots after disabling acceleration

  3. Configure Windows to use AHCI because it's currently set up to RAID:

a. Open Cmd prompt window, Run as administrator

b. Copy-paste this command, which will start Windows in Safe Mode the next time
you reboot: bcdedit /set {current} safeboot minimal and press Enter

c. Restart the computer and tap F2 to enter BIOS setup

d. Change SATA Operation mode from RAID to AHCI

e. Save the change and exit Setup. Windows will automatically boot in Safe Mode.

f. Open Cmd prompt window again, as in a, above

g. Copy-paste this command, which will start Windows in Normal Mode the next time you reboot: bcdedit /deletevalue {current} safeboot and press Enter

h. Reboot and Windows will automatically start with AHCI drivers enabled

4. Image all partitions on the boot HDD and save the image on an external USB drive

5. Use same imaging software to create a separate bootable USB stick

6. Remove old boot HDD and 32-GB mSATA SSD

7. Install new mSATA or SATA SSD

8. Restore the image onto new drive.

NOTES:
If the new mSATA or SATA SSD has different storage capacity than the existing HDD, you will have to resize the partitions when you move your image onto the new SSD. Eg, If you install a 512 GB mSATA SSD to replace the 2T HDD, you'll have to make the C: partition smaller. Otherwise, the image won't fit.  Exactly how you do that depends on the software you use to image the HDD. So be sure to understand that process before you dive in.

Be sure to create and test that bootable USB stick (#5) because you'll need it to boot the PC after installing the empty, new SSD so you can move your saved image onto that new SSD (resizing the C: partition, as necessary).

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June 21st, 2022 09:00

Re: What prevents a larger than 265GB drive from being installed?  Is it a BIOS issue?
mSATA is just another physical form factor of sata drive.  as far as pc motherboard is concerned the mSATA socket is just another physical interface to connect a standard sata drive.  when an mSATA ssd is connected to the onboard socket, it is equivalent to a traditional 2.5 or 3.5 sata drive.  Unlike the traditional drive that receives separate sata power and sata data cables, mSATA has it all incorporated in the socket.  There is no bios restriction on the mSATA ssd capacity, just like there is no restriction of 3.5 sata hdd capacity in this model.

the technology to make the ssd has nothing to do with mobo.  you can certainly use a sata ssd of newer technology and bear in mind the max speed is still limited by motherboard.

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June 21st, 2022 13:00

I suggest you remove the bad spinning-HDD and the baby mSATA-SSD.

Install a new 2.5-inch SATA-3/600 SSD where the HDD was. You can get a 2tb one if you want.

Clean-install Windows. Done.

Same answer as this:

https://www.dell.com/community/XPS-Desktops/XPS-8500-mSATA-SSD-replacement/m-p/8201099/highlight/true#M71963

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June 21st, 2022 23:00

Hello @Larry80 , I could understand your intention to replace the mSATA drive.  Unlike the XPS desktop 8500 and 8700 models, your machine was built on the platform similar like a laptop.  Therefore, your storage is limited to only 2 drives, so you want to use all the option you can get. 

Fortunately, your system will support 1tb mSATA drive.  The maximum bandwidth is 6 Gbps, same as SATA 3 drives.  The 3D NAND is just a manufacturing process for increasing the capacity, so you only need to get whichever mSATA available in your market.  If you are looking for the best, I suggest to get a Samsung T5 portable and disassemble it for the mSATA inside.  That way, you will get a new and genuine SSD.  For the replacement process, this thread has some good pictures and info.

Afterward, you can replace your failing hard drive with a new hard drive or SSD, your choice.  The only change in BIOS is to set SATA operation to AHCI.  

Let us know the result as it would benefit other members with similar questions.

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June 22nd, 2022 06:00

Don't forget to enable AHCI in BIOS so mSATA can be visible for Windows installation.

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June 22nd, 2022 06:00

Thank you for the reply. Good news for me!!  My second all in 1 has a failing hard drive so I will try and do it first. I will do a C drive back up to our MS cloud and then try and make an ISO file of the thing on a large flash drive, as a big back up. Then I am getting to be an expert at opening the Dell XPS One 2720 remove and reinstall the Msata with a much larger one. Ther remove the hard drive. So that it doesn't try and reinstall the old C drive again on it; instead install it on the new larger M drive. Then after that is successful, install a large SSD drive. as D or E (has a DVD drive as well).   Any of this sound approximately correct? 

Thanks to all and yes, when I get it done I will try and post the steps and results to the community.

 

larry80

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June 22nd, 2022 12:00

@Larry80  Just keep in mind that mSATA is old tech and no longer available on new motherboards. So if you install a large mSATA SSD in this PC, it won't be usable in any new PC in the future.

I agree with @Tesla1856. You'd be better off installing a 2.5" SATA SSD instead of an mSATA SSD and removing the 32-GB mSATA SSD. SATA is still being used and likely to be available on new motherboards for a long time. So, at some point you could move the 2.5" SATA SSD into another PC and be able to use it for routine storage, while an mSATA SSD would go to the scrap heap.

NOTE: If you plan to clone or image the existing HDD onto whatever drive you install, you should disable hard drive acceleration using the Intel Rapid Storage Tech (iRST) app first to break the cache that's currently on the 32-GB mSATA SSD before imaging the HDD. Otherwise, Windows won't be bootable from the new drive because files saved on the 32-GB mSATA SSD won't be available if you don't disable the cache.

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June 22nd, 2022 13:00

8 Krypton, thanks for the reply; i is appreciated.  I am not particularly interested in using anything on a future purchase of newer hardware.  MSata drives are available at least from 16GB to 1TB and have in the past worked pretty well in these all-in-one pc's.  I just never understood how to actually get it done. I do now. And I do plan on a large SSD replacing the HDD in this computer as the interface will work equally as well but be significantly faster. One of the units will be used as my radio astronomy master controller, code generator, data reduction, etc and maybe even host to a VPN with an assignable url so that other astronomers can see the data as a web page on their client units where ever they are. And add to ths mix that heck, I am an old geezer now, way beyond my actuarial age. And besides it is kinda fun learning and doing this stuff.  So my plan is still the same, back up my HDD to my MS cloud storage, remove that hard drive, install a Msata with hopefully 3D nand construction (yes they are available) and then putting the contents of my hard drive onto the Msata. Then I will install the SSD as a replacement for teh HDD using the full or maybe partitioned unit with sports for the 4 telescopes planned. Each to have maybe its own data drive letter. I wilo use the other unit to do a lot of the code and development work such as building dashboards for each of the 4 units, configuring analysis code, etc. As well as doing my daily email, and goofing off activities... run of the mill daily activities. 

Bottomline is that the plan I have laid out is the plan I want to implement. I have looked at the size of the entire contents on my C drive right now and it will fit onto a 512 GB Msata and if I off load a lot of document and data files have plenty of room. Radio telescopes can generate a large pile of 1's and 0's with a 14 bit  or larger ADC unit running a serious fast  sample rates. I have a 6TB NAS where the raw data and processed data will eventually hang out.  

 

Hopefully now, everyone will be on the same page as me and I apologize for not explaining what and why I wanted to be able to do the things I asked for help on.  i will still keep on asking questions and posting results as I can get to them. 

 

Many thanks to all who can shed light on may past and future problems!

 

larry80

March 1st, 2023 12:00

Can the msata 64Gb be replaced with a 512Gb or larger only. Leaving the secondary hdd alone. IOW what is the max size Msata compatible with this unit. (dell xps one 2720)

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March 1st, 2023 14:00

@tracyoverman  - Are you sure the 64 GB mSATA SSD is the boot (C:) drive? That seems much too small for the boot drive plus all your apps and personal files.

Typically an mSATA SSD is only used as a cache drive to speed up PC's performance because the boot drive is a slow HDD.

You need to know exactly which drive is which before you do anything. If the 64 GB mSATA is currently used as a cache drive, you just can't swap it for a bigger drive, without reconfiguring Windows, because you'd make the PC unbootable. This can be done, but what would be the point of installing a larger mSATA SSD unless you move Windows, apps and personal files off the HDD and onto the new mSATA SSD? That would allow you to use the HDD for storage.

If you need more storage space, you might be better off reconfiguring Windows, and then removing the mSATA SSD completely and replacing the HDD with a large SATA SSD.

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