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opensas
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Control-Home / Control End Keys

I recently bough a dell xps 9370, and found that the kwyboard layout varied from previous versions.

Now there are separate Home / End keys at the top of the keyboard.

I'd like to also have the functionality to issue home / end with the combination fn-left for home, and fn-right for end, as in previous versions.

It's really annoying when you are moving around in the text with the arrows keys to have to go al the way up to press home then shift-end to select the whole line.

From what I could research there's no way to emulate it using software. Is there some workaround to this or same place where we can ask for this feature?

Thanks a lot

 

 

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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

opensas,

Unfortunately, I do not see that there is any options to change the keys to perform as you are suggesting.


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jphughan
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

Funny, when I first encountered a system that had Home/End as Fn keys on the arrow keys, I hated it because my muscle memory from previous laptops -- and all desktop keyboards -- had trained me to move my hand upward to use Home/End.  I still miss my Precision M6300 that had a full 3 across, 2 down arrangement of those navigation keys, just like proper desktop keyboards until even some of those started rearranging them....

Anyhow, any keyboard command that involves holding down the Fn key would have to be handled by firmware, so if the firmware doesn't support accepting Fn+Left in order to send a "Home" keypress and Fn+Right to send "End", then there's nothing you can do about it.  Theoretically I suppose Dell could provide a firmware update to allow this, but I wouldn't bet on that happening.  I've never heard of firmware updates to add optional functions to keyboards that aren't printed on the keys themselves, with the semi-exception of Lenovo ThinkPads where you can swap the roles of the Fn and Ctrl keys since they position those keys backwards from the rest of the PC industry, so allowing them to be swapped makes it easier for people whose muscle memory isn't based on Lenovo's backwards layout to use Lenovo systems.  Strangely, their IdeaPad line uses the correct layout.  I guess at this point they're too scared to change the ThinkPad keyboard since they're known for their keyboards and therefore they don't want to rock the boat with the Lenovo faithful.  But I digress.

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Anthesis2
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

To move the cursor to the top of the document, use this key combination: Ctrl + Fn + ←Home.

To move the cursor to the end of the document, use this key combination: Ctrl + Fn + End→.

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TheViking72
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

Hi

I have the same issue.

Moving the Home/End away from the old place is frustrating and annoying. 
What makes vendors think that this is an good idea to do such changes when customers have been used to the old layout for several years? 

Please make it possible to change the behavior of the FN keys.

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aurelijus
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

Hi,

 

Navigating with fn + arrows is really convenient and logical, please make this happen. If you're doing lots of text manipulation (e.g. programming (developers edition anyone?)) navigating text is extremelly important. I was thinking switching from my 9550 to 13 xps, but it won't happen with this keyboard. IMHO fn + arrows navigation should be default i any given laptop.

So xps 13 does not match this criteria, I guess I'll keep searching elsewhere... 😕

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DJankowski
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

Oh boy, I just went to Fn+Shift+Left to select my text and saw that this was the case. 

What the?? This was a horrible decision. Especially as a programmer, I legitimately might have to return this laptop and get the older one. The use of the arrow keys was extremely effective once I got used to it.

Now with it above the function keys, I have already put the computer to sleep because I can never remember if the function lock is on, and so I go to use "End" and I put the computer to sleep. Why would I need such quick access to screen brightness on the arrow keys?

These are the little things that matter quite a lot. I would hope there would be an option to configure the keyboard to our own custom preference. You would be surprised how big of an inconvenience something so small can be. Did any of the developers even use this new keyboard layout after it was redesigned?

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DJankowski
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

And what did I just realize? The function keys aren't even standardized! If I try to use the volume with Fn, I can lock the Fn keys and not use Fn at all, or I can unlock the Fn and have to use the Fn key. HOWEVER, home and end don't work this way! If you press Shift+Home or Shift+End, they keys do as you would expect. How about if I lock the Fn key again, does it switch? Nope! It stays the same, so SOME of the keys change and some don't! How bizarre is this. There's no way for me to even know if the Fn keys are locked or not!
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

DJankowski,

 

Click my name and private message me the pc service tag number.

 


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r03l
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Re: Control-Home / Control End Keys

It would be really great if Dell could make a bios option for this.

fn+arrow for navigation was such a good thing!

 

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