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Aurora R16, my upgrades for PSU, video card, SSD, memory
I happen to get a MSI RTX 4080OC card at a very reasonable price so I had to find something to put it in. I had posted a couple questions about upgrading the base R16 PSU on the site and those answers were very helpful.
I ended up getting a R16, pretty basic configuration with 16gb of 5600mhz DDR5, a 500w PSU and a 4060TI video card, which has a really good starting point price.
Here's what I had to do for upgrades to get the system up and running.
First was the PSU, the included 500w PSU wasn't going to cut it for this 4080 so I started hunting around for a larger PSU that would fit. Dell uses their proprietary PSUs and a standard ATX of any brand/size will not fit so I started searching for ones used in the R15, "lots of backwards compatibility I found".
The M/B on the R16 does come with a 12 pin ATX connector, and I ended up finding a 1350w Dell PSU that's used in the R15 and that does have the 12 pin ATX connector on it. Now the one issue I found is that the 500w PSUs 4pin P4 M/B CPU cables are extended and almost reach the motherboard with only a 6" extension used. The 1350w has very short 4pin P4 cables and I had to purchase some 4pin P4 extension cables "found 24" ones on Amazon and they fit perfectly". The 1350w PSU is also a lot larger than the 500w, but the 1350w fits just fine in the case.
Now when I booted up the system I immediately received a boot error stating that the "VR Heatsink" was not detected, and found that the systems with the 4060s GPUs and 500w PSU do not come with VR heatsinks installed "uggg". Fortunately a quick call to Dell T/S got me to the right person and he let me order the two heatsinks I needed "luckily inexpensive". These really should be included with all systems no matter what for easing future upgrading. It only took 3 days for them to arrive and once installed the error went away "although I could still run the system after dismissing the error I didn't want to overheat anything on a new system".
Next I installed the MSI 4080 video card, and yep it's longer than the original card and apparently a little larger than the OEM card that Dell uses and you have to remove the GPU end support frame "easy enough" and after removing that the card fit fine. I also removed the shield around the PSU to allow a little more clearance between it and the GPU, it's no longer needed either as the mid support doesn't fit the MSI card at all.I just used an adjustable GPU support. The 1350w PSU comes with 4 PCIe 8 pin (6x2) connectors so going up to a 4090 would be no problem. I only used 3 with the included adapter from MSI and routed the 4th to the back side keeping the clutter down.
I also bumped up the memory from 16gb to 32gb using part number M323R2GA3DB0-CWM from the R16 FAQ and found some Samsung modules with the same number on Amazon, these work great, run at 5600mhz, no errors at all.
I also added a Samsung EVO 970 Plus SSD and a Seagate Barracuda 8tb spindle drive and everything is running great with no overheating issues.
Wanted to put this together for anyone that has a base system and want to upgrade, it can be done, pretty easily too. I've been playing C/P 2077 Phantom Liberty the last few days with it set on "Ray Tracing Ultra" and am getting a consistent 110fps+ all the time.
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October 22nd, 2023 17:17
Very nice work! Thanks for sharing.
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October 22nd, 2023 17:45
The 8 PIN instead of 12 PIN is not giving stability issues?
I am just thinking that considering the initial cost and the cost of the upgrades, it might have been a better choice to go complete retail and save yourself headaches down the road...
The heat sinks I agree. Why they insist not installing those on lower end configurations is beyond me. Now they need to SKU's for motherboard replacements. One with and one without heat sinks...
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October 22nd, 2023 17:57
@Vanadiel The 8 pin was on the 500w PSU, the 1350 has a 12pin, just posted the pic for reference. Would never try to push 1300+ watts through an 8 pin connector.
The 1kw PSU does come with a 10 pin, FYI.
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October 22nd, 2023 18:02
@Vanadiel I wan't worried about cost as I like to do custom builds, plus tinker, "and this gives me something to fiddle with during retirement", have done 100s of custom builds since 1996, wasn't too concerned, and in the end, pricing everything out, "I" came out cheaper than buying a system configured the way it is now just for the sake of what I was able to obtain the parts for cost wise.
I agree that configuring the system like this initially is probably the best option "if you can afford it at the time". But the base configuration I had gotten is being sold by the big box stores and I wanted to create this post to show that "if this is all you can afford at the time" you can upgrade the system in the future. If you are purchasing on the Dell/Alienware website I would at least bump up the system to the 1kw PSU as it's only $50more.
I was actually impressed by the base systems performance and the the 4060ti performed better than I thought it would. It's a decent system for anyone that want's a decent gamer that just can't afford more.
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October 22nd, 2023 22:15
@chili.red The motherboards must have different VRM sections then, 8, 10 and 12 PIN options.
That does not bode well for upgrading...
Or do the motherboards all have 12 PINS and based on PSU wattage less PIN's are used?
It would be a waste of VRM components if that is what they did.
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October 22nd, 2023 22:43
@Vanadiel There are 12 pins on the MB and I did ask dell T/S if the 1350w PSU was supported by that MB, they stated not yet as it hadn't been tested and approved, only the 500, 750 and 1k had been so far. The MB part number appears to be the same one used in the R15, the only difference I did find is there's one less case fan header.
It does appear that the 500 uses 8 pins, "not sure about 750, the 1k uses 10 and the 1350 is using 12. The VRM layout is exactly the same as the MBs I saw from the R15s, even the heatsinks are the same.
Here's an excellent post where the 1350PSU is broken down and how the power is distributed by it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/1468q26/dissecting_the_1350w_r15_psu_into_a_r13/
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October 22nd, 2023 23:31
500w: 8 pin, c/w XPS 8950/8960, Optiplex 7000
750/1000w: 10 pin, these psu are c/w XPS 8950/8960
1350w: 12 pin, c/w Aurora R13/14/15/16, and backward c/w 10/8 pin motherboard socket
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October 22nd, 2023 23:32
@Vanadiel I did find an image of the 750w PSU, it has a 10pin connector, so apparently the 500w is the only one using an 8 pin connecto.
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October 22nd, 2023 23:39
The additional 2 pin of 10 vs 8 pin, or 12 vs 10 pin are are 12V/Gnd pins on top of the 8 pin. The base 8 pin out is Dell proprietary, and same pinout for 12/10 pin.
the additional 12V pins (power pin) supposedly supply motherboard with more power if needed by the PCIex16 slots.
if you plug the 1350w psu in R13 motherboard 10 pin socket, those two extra 2 pin of 12 hang in air not utilized.
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October 23rd, 2023 13:39
@redxps630 That is odd because for a video card it's supposed to be 75 Watt for the slot and the remainder comes from the external power sources.
It would be odd, but who knows. Since this is an OEM design it can be anything really.
I am thinking CPU upgrades from 65 watt to 125 Watt might be an issue.
I remember on my R10 I has this odd 8 PIN connector that was wired up as a 6 PIN, and on some R10's it was wired up as an 8 PIN. I also remember I had no BIOS OC options on my 3700X, while others did on their CPU. I had the same 1000 Watt PSU as they did.
I never got to the bottom of it but it looked to me like pending on how many PINS were wired up other options opened up in the BIOS and CPU support.
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October 23rd, 2023 14:21
@Vanadiel recall that the Aurora Series up through the Aurora R9 had the auxiliary motherboard EPS 8-pin power connector GPU_PWR for additional PCIe support. The Area-51 triads had this as well.
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October 23rd, 2023 14:30
@ProfessorW00d Yes, but with the ATX standard on those boards, the power for the PCI-e slot should come from the ATX connector, not the EPS pins. EPS are for aux power to the VRM section, for the CPU.
I don't know how it is with the new 12 Volt Intel standard. I am thinking similar?
EPS
– EPS12V and PCIe Connectors
While the EPS connector is designed to provide the motherboard’s CPU socket with power, the PCI Express connector is built to provide power to the GPU.
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October 23rd, 2023 14:49
@Vanadiel 12 volts is 12 volts . . . regardless of the connector type. It would be particularly peculiar if they labeled a motherboard header "GPU_PWR" if it provided power to the CPU.
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October 23rd, 2023 14:58
I guess this is the new standard:
ATX12VO
In the ATX12VO standard, the -12 V, 5 V, 5 VSB (standby) and 3.3 V rails are deleted. The 24-pin connector is replaced with a 10-pin one that carries three 12 V lines (one more than ATX v2.x) in addition to the new 12 VSB standby voltage rail. The 4-pin 12 V connectors would still remain, and still require one to squeeze one or two of those through impossibly small gaps in the system’s case to get them to the top of the mainboard, near the CPU’s voltage regulator modules (VRMs).
So Dell is already deviating from the standard by using 8, 10 or 12 PIN instead of the 10 PIN connector. All this is going to do is cause headaches for future upgrades...
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October 23rd, 2023 15:09
It's supposed to be like this: 10 PIN connector
Not sure what the 12 PIN layout is on the R16 board.
That is why I am amazed it even works without all the pin's being populated.