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April 28th, 2023 21:00

AW3423DWF, crushing blacks

My AW3423DWF is crushing blacks and making dark scenes look horrible. This happens in both HDR True Black and HDR Peak 1000 modes, with and without the "fix" (using console mode, source tone mapping, 64% contrast). I am not talking about the bad EOTF tracking that Monitor's Unboxed has talked about.

I'm comparing this against my phone (OnePlus 7 Pro, which seemingly works with HDR) and another person in a discord with the same monitor and 4k bluray rip, which makes me think it's something with my monitor. Images below.

Picture of my AW3423DWF in HDR 1000 mode, but HDR True Black still has the same crushed blacks. Camera ISO increased to show close to what my eyes see. Notice the loss of shadow detail, mainly in the fur coat on the right.Picture of my AW3423DWF in HDR 1000 mode, but HDR True Black still has the same crushed blacks. Camera ISO increased to show close to what my eyes see. Notice the loss of shadow detail, mainly in the fur coat on the right.Same 4k BluRay rip file played through VLC on my OnePlus 7 Pro (100% brightness, though lowering it still keeps the shadow detail in the fur coat and other places). Camera ISO increased to show close to what I see with my eyes.Same 4k BluRay rip file played through VLC on my OnePlus 7 Pro (100% brightness, though lowering it still keeps the shadow detail in the fur coat and other places). Camera ISO increased to show close to what I see with my eyes.Discord user playing their 4k BluRay rip on their AW3423DWF (HDR True Black, HDR Peak 1000 looks similar, just brighter)Discord user playing their 4k BluRay rip on their AW3423DWF (HDR True Black, HDR Peak 1000 looks similar, just brighter)

I can't remember everything I have tried to fix it with no success, but I can list these off:

  • Factory reset of monitor
  • Different computer (going from the 3080 Ti on my main PC to the integrated intel graphics on my Framework laptop)
  • Changing contrast in OSD
  • Turning Console Mode on/off
  • Turning Source Tone Map on/off
  • Changing picture profiles from creator to standard before enabling HDR
  • Booting into windows with HDR already enabled
  • Changing nvidia control panel settings (gamma, contrast, brightness, etc.)
  • Full reinstall of nvidia drivers (DDU used in safe mode)
  • Different video players (using windows' built in video player instead of VLC)
  • Using different ports and cables on my GPu, including running the monitor over HDMI
  • Going down to 120Hz to use 10 bit color
  • Firmware is up-to-date on the monitor (M3B103 or whatever it's called)
  • Updating windows and GPU drivers (Running fully updated Windows 11)
  • Using the Windows HDR Calibration app
  • Re-ripping the 4k BluRay
  • Trying different 4k BluRays (1917, HTTYD1, and HTTDY3. Also tried Tenet, but the blacks in that movie are lifted, so they never reach close to 0)
  • Can happen in SDR mode (playing back the regular bluray rips of the same movies, since playing HDR content in SDR makes everything look wrong) but Sevaeron and I compared SDR settings and media briefly and our monitors looked the same in SDR (Creator, DCIP3, Gamma 2.0) which makes me think it's an HDR only issue.
  • Seems to happen in games as well, but I haven't tested this too much.

If you need any more info to try and help, feel free to ask and I will try to provide it. This has been driving me insane for a few weeks now, and I only discovered it well after the 30 day return period concluded. I'm hopeful that maybe when Dell fixes the HDR Peak 1000 EOTF tracking problem that this will also be fixed, but I'm not sure that the firmware is the problem.

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April 29th, 2023 08:00

Use this test to check black levels: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php 

I have the same monitor, and in HDR true black I can distinguish each box in that test. If you can't, more than likely you have a hardware issue as the HDR true black mode complies to the VESA standard.

You can try setting the dark stabilizer to 1 and set both contrast and brightness to 75%.

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April 29th, 2023 10:00

In HDR True Black and HDR on in Windows with the Contrast at 67%, I can see all of those squares. Turning HDR off in Windows makes it so I can only see 8 and above, but I don't think that's how you're supposed to view this. However, you mention changing the Dark Stabilizer setting, but this is not allowed when the monitor is getting an HDR signal, only in SDR is it possible.So, turning off HDR in windows and viewing the same page, but this time with dark stabilizer at 1, I can see all the squares again. But this doesn't work with HDR.

I also found some other test patterns that are HDR video files to test black levels and those seemed fine to me as well.

Starting to think it might be related to how I ripped the movie, and my monitor/windows not reading the HDR information correctly.

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April 29th, 2023 10:00

I have HDR+ icon also in top right of the menu, and I can see all squares without any issue.

6 Professor

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April 29th, 2023 10:00

I have windows desktop set to HDR, and I can change the dark stabilizer setting with the monitor set to true black. I can see all patterns without an issue.

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April 29th, 2023 10:00

Another test pattern to use is this one: 0-10 

should see the numbers 0 and 10 in the boxes without them blending in the background or being invisible.

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April 29th, 2023 10:00

The Dark Stabilizer option is greyed out for me, and I have an HDR+ icon in the top right of the menu indicating the monitor is getting an HDR signal. The option to change the Dark Stabilizer is available in Dell Display Utility, but it has no effect when HDR content is showing.

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April 29th, 2023 11:00

Yes, I can see all the squares when I have an HDR+ icon, but that wasn't what I was talking about. I was saying that when that HDR+ icon is showing, the option to change the dark stabilizer is greyed out and unavailable.

As for the other test pattern you sent, that doesn't contain HDR data (indicated by the lack of an HDR symbol on the quality cog wheel). While I can see all the numbers with HDR on and off, it's not an HDR source so when HDR is on, the greys are very elevated.

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June 16th, 2023 13:00

After the latest firmware update (M3B104) this black crush issue still remains. It happens on all DWF models I have had other people test for me, but on the few DW models I have had people test for me, it does not. This is unacceptable and completely ruins certain scenes in movies and games. Rtings testing shows this issue in their EOTF testing, but have not commented on it. Neither has Monitors Unboxed.

Below I have posted two images, one of my DWF, and one of a DW playing the exact same file I am for comparison. Notice how crushed the blacks are in the fur, face, and wall. Disregard color saturation, as that's just the cameras.

AW3423DWF, Firmware M3B104AW3423DWF, Firmware M3B104

AW3423DW, from Conten on discordAW3423DW, from Conten on discord

I should also correct something in my original post: The DWF result from the discord user Sevaeron is inaccurate, as they were not playing the same file as I was. Once I sent them the same clip,  their results were the same as mine.

I hope someone from Dell can comment on this issue, because so far I am losing hope that this issue will ever be fixed.

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July 15th, 2023 08:00

I confirm I have the exact same issue with crushed blacks, bought my DWF 2 weeks ago and running on latest firmware.

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July 15th, 2023 08:00

Just out of curiosity, what cables are you using to connect the monitor?

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July 15th, 2023 08:00

I'm was using the included full sized DP to full sized DP cable included with the monitor, but I'm now using an Amazon basics DP to DP cable and it's still the same.

6 Professor

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July 15th, 2023 11:00

I have the same monitor, no issues with black levels for me.

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July 19th, 2023 04:00

I also have this problem on my monitor but only in the peak 1000 mode, i know there is alot of differences between the freesync pipeline and the normal one. Does this issue also happen on AMD GPUs? Most reports seem to come from Nvidia users including myself. The only thing that fixes the issue is increasing the NVCP brightness to 52% and making sure full rgb is activate leaving the rest on default. Main issue is this overbrightens it back to how it was in M3B103

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July 19th, 2023 09:00

I have used both a 3080 and a 7900XTX on this monitor and see no difference in black levels in HDR 1000 mode. The latest firmware does fix the EOTF issue in HDR 1000 mode, so be sure to update the firmware of the monitor when using HDR 1000 mode.

I have read from some other users that they seemed to have issues with AMD cards and HDR mode. But like I said, I experienced zero issues when I switched from AMD to NVIDIA.

I do know that DP cables can cause issues as I recently experienced that first hand when I tried to use a different DP cable. So maybe that could be contributing to the issue some are experiencing.

I know specifically that the latest 7000 AMD cards use DP 2.1, while the monitor is using DP 1.4. There are currently to my knowledge only a few DP 2.1 cables available that are VESA certified, and all of those that are are DP40 instead of DP80 certified. AMD is the only one that has DP 2.1 on their consumer cards, NVIDIA is all DP 1.4.

Like I said, I tried a DP 2.1 DP40 cable and had nothing but issues but that cable was not truly certified so I went back to my VESA certified DP 1.4 cable. I have another this time proper DP 2.1 DP40 cable VESA certified arriving today, so I am going to try that out.

I don't know at this point if the issue was truly with the cable, or if the issue was with the DP 1.4 to DP 2.1 connection. All I can say is be careful with purchasing cables on Amazon because many manufacturers make claims that are not exactly true. Always check the VESA certification database to make sure it's truly VESA certified: Product database 

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July 19th, 2023 12:00

Which black level file are you using from that test pattern collection?

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