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September 5th, 2005 02:00

8400 Abrupt shutdowns

Newly acquired (reconditioned) machine with an original 8/1/05 ship date:
 
Haven't run this past Support yet - wondering if this rings any bells...
 
Beginning the 2nd day had several instances where I'd boot the PC, XP would load to the desktop, I'd start to work and the machine would shut down with no warning messages. Always had to power-off by holding the Power Pushbutton. PC would then reboot with no errors and, a few minutes later, would shut down again. After several occurrences I noticed that after shut down the Power light blinks amber/orange until the base unit is powered-off again. 7-8 instances of this failure on that day, then all was well for 10-12 hours until the end of the day. No diagnostic lights during troubles. Followed the "Power Problems" in the Owner's Manual, pgs 40-41 and checked the voltage selection switch and opened up and checked the processor power cable (and all others) with nothing out of the ordinary found. 
 
Third day on initial first-thing-in-the morning boot a message appeared that the CMOS battery voltage was low, then startup proceeded normally. Worked over 12 hours with no problems.
 
Fourth day (today) had two failures first thing after starting. Replaced the CMOS battery. Worked the remainder of the day with no reoccurrances. Voltage of old CMOS battery = 3.12V.
 
Have run Delldiags with no failure messages. Have switched AC-to-base unit cord 3 times. Have switched keyboards, mouse, monitor to all known-good units. Have loaded a fair amount of software but nothing extreme - mostly MS (such as Office 2003) and other majors. Virtually everything is running box-stock.
 
Any ideas anyone? I love this machine...really want to keep it.
 
Thanks...Bob C. 

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September 5th, 2005 13:00

sounds like the power suply.  a lot of 8400's have had problems with them.

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September 5th, 2005 15:00

Thanks for the response, JD. I was really hoping not to hear that. I can easily do the mechanical repl of a power aupply, but I'll bet Support won't ship one...if they agree with that diagnosis.

Anyone else?

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September 5th, 2005 23:00

Hi, I just saw your post after I put mine up. I have been having the same problem see the post "unexptected shutdown". I have been trying to troubleshoot with tech support but they want me to do things that I really do not feel comfortable with. I opened it up and checked the connections, re-seated the memory etc. but the problem just returned yesterday and it is the same as what you described with the system unresponsive and blinking amber power light that I have to hold in to power all the way off and then restart and it will be fine for awhile until the next time. It is not as often as what you have had only once in awhile but sometimes several in one day. It usually happens when I leave it running and go do something else and find it like that when I return, only once when I was using it did it happen and the screen just went black and it was in that partially shutdown state with the blinking light, I have a 8400 that I bought last August. Please let me know if you find anything more out about this.

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September 5th, 2005 23:00

Hello,

Yep, they sound like the same problem. So far today my system's been up and running fine for just over 9 hours.

I didn't mention something in the original post....and it may not be related to the power-off issue directly...but I had to shut off all hibernation and standby modes and anything else that would take the PC from a ready state to another, except for a simple screen saver. I was getting unexpected power-offs or standbys or whatever they were, and I couldn't get the system back by moving the mouse or hitting any keys on the keyboard. Nothing would bring it back. As I said, though, may not be related or the incidents may've been powerdowns and I wasn't recognizing it correctly at the time.

I will certainly post whatever I learn or observe. Thanks for your info.

...Bob C.

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September 6th, 2005 02:00

Is there any chance it could be the hard drives that are failing? I had an 8400 that Dell just took back after a year because of numerous hardware failures. Among them was 3 hard drives that failed on me. The first one failed four months after I had the machine, the second one a few months later, and the last one was two months ago.

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September 6th, 2005 22:00

This may be as simple as a card not seated correctly. I have an XPS gen2 with the big blue case that opens up like a door. I have found that when i open the case it can cause the video card and mother board to flex and the result is that the video card ends up not bing seated correctly in its slot. A few times this caused simaular problems as you are having other times it would not even boot. Each time i just unpluged the video card and pluged it back in then closed the cover of the case carefully and that fixed it.

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September 7th, 2005 01:00

Bluesman,

Thanks. I will have the opportunity to reseat any cards and memory tomorrow and will do so. Appreciate the comments. I will post the results.

...Bob C.

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September 7th, 2005 03:00

I had to have a new hard drive put in also about 3 months after buying my 8400 last August and it has been good until this power down issue, I just got home tonight and it was unresponsive and blinking again and tech support wants me to try another bunch of tedious things that I really don't even know what I am doing as I am far from a computer expert.
 
Jon M

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September 7th, 2005 12:00

Jon,

I understand. Everyone has their own comfort zone. Can't estimate how many computers I broke or made worse in the early-learning years. They're just supposed to work - right?

Assume you're still under warranty so Dell should take care of you. Just have to get through all the Support steps...sounds like you're already experienced with that process.

Thanks, again, all of you for the information. This Board is very responsive and that's a pleasant surprise.

...Bob C.

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September 7th, 2005 13:00

Hi Bob,

Tech support just advised me that it seems the memory modules are failing and need to be replaced and that they will send a tech to put in the new ones. I will update on the results after I see how it goes. The problem has been sporadic but lately it seems if I leave it idle for a few hours while I am doing something else it has gone into that non-responsive state, at least the 3 days in a row so it definitely seems to be more often. Hopefully this will take care of it.

 

Jon

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September 7th, 2005 16:00

Jon,

Thanks for letting us know. I'll bet there are a number of folks here who'll be interested in the outcome.

...Bob C.

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September 12th, 2005 04:00

Hi Bob,

Just thought I'd let you know that the tech came Friday and put the new memory modules in and the computer was ok until Sunday at 1pm and it started doing the same thing again. So it's back to the drawing board.

 

Jon

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September 15th, 2005 01:00

Let us know how this turns out.  My 2400 is doing the same thing.

thinks

Glenn

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September 15th, 2005 02:00

It did not work, they are going to put in a new power supply unit next.

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September 15th, 2005 15:00

Power supply? Well, that makes sense when I consider the error I'm still having...when the system quits the power light flashes amber slowly. Believe you said you experienced the same.

I had several good days and just enjoyed them. This morning I have had 6 failures so far. Finally opened the case and reseated everything - cards, cable connectors, physically reinstalled every piece but the processor. Failed once right after...now up and running for a straight 30 minutes or so.

*sigh* Guess I'll have to break down and call Support soon.

Hope the PS solves it for you. Let us know when you get a chance.

...BC
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