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June 16th, 2026 01:13
Dell deleted my thread complaining about the sad state of affairs of older XPS computers, the June Windows update and secure boot!
Over the weekend I started a thread "XPS 8910 and the nightmare of June 2026 secure boot update" with the following text:
"Hello
I am cross-posting from Windows 10 freezes every time 5 minutes after startup - Microsoft Q&A for those who might encounter this issue.
Short version: Disabling the Microsoft\Windows\PI\Secure-Boot-Update task, as suggested in the recommended answer seems to work (which comes originally from Windows freezes a few minutes after start up : r/WindowsHelp).
Long version:
I have observed what seems to be the same issue on Dell XPS 8910 desktop running Windows 10 on extended support.
The problem started around 9 June 2026, the day of the June 2026 Windows update. The system, which had worked perfectly fine for about a decade, would completely freeze fairly shortly after booting regardless of what one was attempting to do.
I tried running sfc /scannow. The system froze before it completed, and I somehow ended up triggering a secure boot violation on reboot.
The solution described at https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/5861569/how-to-fix-secure-boot-violation-invalid-signature solved the boot violation issue, but the system kept randomly freezing.
As Dell Support Assist could not find any hardware issue, and as this system had never gotten a Windows reset in about a decade, I tried a clean install of Windows 11 from a USB key.
Windows 11 installed without any issue, but the system kept freezing as it did on Windows 10!
So, at this point I assumed that I was wrong to link my issue to a Windows update and assumed that it was a hardware issue. I started taking RAM modules out even though tests were not reporting any issue, doing a full scan of the disk etc. Nothing helped.
Well... searching of hints of what to do next, I found this post. And so far, so good! I need to monitor the system for a couple of days to totally be sure that the problem is gone, but I am hopeful it is. Thanks!"
As of tonight, Dell has deleted the thread. I was not notified. Why???
DELL-ChrisM2
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June 16th, 2026 11:29
The thread was not deleted. It was held in the moderation queue until our agents could check every posted link. It is live now.
XPS 8910 and the nightmare of June 2026 secure boot update
gartaud
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June 16th, 2026 11:43
Thank you for your response.
It is a peculiar behavior though that a thread that was active for a couple of days was suddenly sent to the moderation queue for over twelve hours. It would be nice if the original poster was notified of such moderation taking place.
Chino de Oro
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June 20th, 2026 09:31
If you read the accepted solution, that thread was not deleted. The OP was spamming his/her own thread with dozen of internet links after the thread was closed with a solution. The pattern of posting multiple links in a post was caught by spam detection feature and being held to be verified by human, Dell Mods.
Although that thread was marked with solution, you will not find any instruction for secure boot update on XPS 8910. Instead, the OP referred everyone to read an internet link.
gartaud
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June 20th, 2026 14:29
@Chino de Oro I find your post quite offensive
1. The thread was removed for over twelve hours without me getting any notification/justification. Each post had been vetted by a human in the first place (evidenced by the fact that it took up to one hour for a post to show up after being submitted). Saying that the pattern was caught by spam detection is highly speculative, and probably not true.
2. I did not mark the thread as solved. I don't know who did.
3. To this date I am not sure how to update the secure boot certificates to the 2023 certificates on the XPS 8910, but at least I know what to do so that the computer does not hard-freeze five minutes after booting while Windows is attempting to update the certificates itself, which is let's agree is way more important that updating the certificates themselves. The link explains how to. (In passing the XPS 8700 exhibits the same behavior, some other XPS might too).
4. At the end of the day, Dell is guilty of not caring about their customers by not providing a BIOS/UEFI update for computers that are not that old, and Microsoft is guilty of pushing a Windows Update that essentially render those computers unusable. I don't think the blame should be directed at me.
DELL-ChrisM2
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June 20th, 2026 16:19
@gartaud
Forum Solutions explained
DAS (Dell Accepted Solution) = a solution that has been verified by Dell engineering. These are only marked as DAS by us and Dell employee.
CAS (Community Accepted Solution) = a possible solution as verified by the original poster or other users. The CAS may not apply to every user.
Why does a reply go into the Moderation Queue?
Any reply that has pictures, videos, links, or has been later edited will return to the Moderation Queue to be read and approved by our moderation team. This takes time.
"I did not mark the thread as solved. I don't know who did."
Are you saying that you want the CAS for your reply removed from this thread? Or is there a different reply in that thread that you want marked as CAS? Or no CAS at all?
XPS 8910 and the nightmare of June 2026 secure boot update
"Dell is guilty of not caring about their customers by not providing a BIOS/UEFI update for computers that are not that old"
* I have to disagree with "not that old".
End of life XPS 8700 released in 2013. Never validated by Dell with Windows 11.
End of life XPS 8910 released in 2016. Never validated by Dell with Windows 11.
Note: Dell EOL (end of life)
* No longer sold by Dell
* Maintenance or development for new features has ceased
* End of Dell support offerings
gartaud
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June 20th, 2026 18:13
@DELL-ChrisM2 Thak you for your explanations.
That is a totally logical and fair process. But let's be honest. This is NOT what happened to the original post "XPS 8910 and the nightmare of June 2026 secure boot update". This post was never edited. The original post was moderated and cleared on Sunday, and the entire thread, with all the successive posts also moderated and cleared, was active from Sunday to Monday evening around 7pm Eastern Time, at which time the entire thread disappeared. The entire thread only came back to life around 7am Eastern Time on Tuesday Morning, when I assume you took it out of quarantine/restored it, and then reported it had not been deleted.
No, I am okay with the CAS that was selected. @Chino de Oro is the one that questioned the choice and I feel generally blamed the victim (me) for what happened.
XPS 8700 is old... okay I accept that.
XPS 8910... I don't agree. Ours is a beefed-up model (i7, 32 GB RAM, 1TB NVMe, GeForce 1060 6 GB) that is not even ten years old yet. Replacing it by a modern equivalent would be USD 1.8K Dell Tower Plus Desktop PC | Dell USA (picking the model with a 5060 Ti on sale as the closest modern equivalent).
But the deep-freeze at the five-minute mark after booting happened under Windows 10 ESU, which is fully supported by Microsoft on those computers. The fact that they were never validated by Dell with Windows 11 is totally irrelevant.
Also, the XPS 8930 (our household owns all three models) is fully supported by Microsoft on Windows 11 and yet Windows Update is not capable of installing the 2023 certificates because its firmware is buggy. The only pro is that it does not deep freeze the computer in the process. (See XPS 8930, purchased 2018, 2023 Secure Boot Certificates | DELL Technologies)
Thank you for your understanding.
PS: and I am not your only unhappy customer...
Installed KB5094126 update, now computer won't start - Microsoft Q&A
Fix Windows 10 June update - Microsoft Q&A
Windows 10 Tower freezes after 5 minutes of use after June 2026 Windows Update - Microsoft Q&A
Computer keeps freezing. - Microsoft Q&A
WINDOWS 11 UPDATE KB5094126 INSTALLS BUT THEN FREEZES COMPUTER - Microsoft Q&A
After updating Windows 10, my computer freezes a few minutes after login - Microsoft Q&A
windows 10 freezing shortly after start up. - Microsoft Q&A
My Dell laptop randomly freezes and won’t work until I shut it down - Microsoft Q&A
Secure Boot Update freezes my computer while Secure Boot complains about older boot trust configuration that needs update. - Microsoft Q&A
Windows 10 Frozen Due to Update Issues as of May 9 2026 - Microsoft Q&A
Windows freezes a few minutes after start up : r/WindowsHelp [the one I found on Sunday following a Microsoft learn post]
[FIX] Windows 10 freezing a few minutes after every boot since June 2026 update (KB5094127) — Secure-Boot-Update task is the cause : r/Windows10TechSupport [this one also contains a step from preventing future updates from reenabling the secure boot certificates update task. Haven’t tried]
PC freezing within a minute or 2 after startup. Reinstalling windows will make it go away for about 2 weeks : r/techsupport
Windows 11 freezing after update : r/WindowsUpdate
Windows 10 Laptop Freezes Exactly 5 Minutes After Startup (Safe Mode Works) – Tried Almost Everything : r/computerhelp [issue understood and workaround explained three months ago!]
My PC started to freeze after 5 minutes from boot (Windows 10) - found the issue : r/microsoft
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gartaud
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June 20th, 2026 21:17
Adding that HP seems to be more consumer friendly regarding secure boot certificates, isn't it?
Dell: "If your system shipped before 2020, or it is in the following list, there is no plan for BIOS updates with the 2023 certificates included." Microsoft 2011 Secure Boot Certificates Expiration for Out of Scope Platforms for BIOS Updates | Dell US
(and as we know if it shipped between around 2013 and around 2016 it might become unusable when Windows Update attempts to update the certificates and freezes the system doing so)
HP: "All Secure Boot-enabled HP Commercial PCs released in 2019 and later, in addition to select 2018 products, are supported with new certificates. To be supported, systems (a) must be able to run Windows 11 or Windows 10 IoT LTSC, and (b) meet Windows processor requirements for Windows 11." HP Business PCs - Prepare for new Windows Secure Boot certificates | HP® Support
(but for pre-2018 systems, it seems that things are not rosy there either HP admits its latest BIOS update is bricking Windows 11 with BitLocker loop, blocking Secure Boot 2023 fix)
My understanding is that if Dell was following HP's lead, then the XPS 8930 and the XPS 8940 would have received firmware/BIOS/UEFI updates, isn't it?