Argh, I have had my share of bad designs. With the bugs I'm not sure it's worth it quite yet. If the firmware was user flashable that would lend a little more confidence, but getting refurbished products bring their own nightmare's. It is a bummer because over on the Red Cinema forums it was looking like this was one of the good ones. Everyone is still using 4k TVs which have their own set of problems heh heh.