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May 29th, 2018 09:00
Optiplex 745 SFF, upgrades
Hello, this is my first time asking a question on dell.com so if this is in the wrong place please let me know, anyways
I have a Dell Optiplex 745 SFF with 275w power supply, one 80GB harddrive (I will upgrade to 1TB), with 7GB ram (3X2GB DDR2, 1X1GB DDR2) Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13Ghz, R5 240 1GB low profile Graphics Card (50w), and I unplugged the cd drive so that it will waste less watts. I wanted to upgrade the Processor to a Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66Ghz but ever since I added the graphics card I was worried that there wouldnt be enough watts to handle the Q6700, I did read some posts that said when you go over your watt limit it may cause the power supply to burn and stop working, can anyone tell me if it will be ok to replace my Core 2 Duo E6400 with Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66, and please keep in mind that I have an R5 240 in the pc. If it wont work then should I get a Core 2 Duo E6700 instead.
Thank You for ANY help
speedstep
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May 30th, 2018 06:00
SFF systems are not upgradeable this is not supported.
Polis Putrus
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May 31st, 2018 09:00
Why do you say this, it is upgradeable take a look please - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1eJtZDkqY he has the same pc as mine and he even upgraded the hard drive to 1TB and the ram i think to 8GB, he upgrades first, in a previous video, from Core 2 Duo E4400 to Core 2 Duo E6600 then he upgrades to Core 2 QUAD Q6700 and it clearly works, this is proof that it is upgradeable, he upgrades twice AND if you look closely he also has a graphics card so not only does he upgrade his cpu, he upgrades with the graphics card in the pc and it works, pleas tell me what you think, Ive noticed you answer a lot of questions and I need your help to answer mine please, OH and I forgot to mention that I updated my bios to latest version 2.6.6, Thank You.
Polis Putrus
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May 31st, 2018 16:00
All I want to know is if I can upgrade the cpu to Core 2 Quad Q6700 WITH the R5 240 (50w) graphics card in it, because I know that if the graphics card wasnt in it, it would work, but I need to know if it will work with the Core 2 Quad Q6700 (105w) AND the R5 240 (50w), will it go over the 275w power limit? ANY help is appreciated, Thank You
speedstep
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June 2nd, 2018 17:00
Dell does not support ANY processor change. The system he had uses the COPPER performance heatsink not the Aluminum one. There are lots of caveats so I still say what you want to do will have issues.
He is using SLACQ INTEL CORE 2 Quad Q6700.
He also DID NOT SAY which BIOS he was using.
Recommended update to last known bios BEFORE changing anything.
For a 745 the HEIDEN_2.6.6.exe is recommended.
https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER00224415M/1/HEIDEN_2.6.6.exe
Power supply is not upgrade able.
Official spec DOES NOT LIST QUADS
https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/opti_745techspecs.pdf
The 755 lists quads the 745 does not.
The other issue is with RADEON R series cards.
THEY DO NOT SUPPORT DOS VESA VIDEO MODE 103 and therefore black screen don't work at all ever.
Sapphire and Powercolor will tell you they only support UEFI BIOS.
Earlier RADEON HD SERIES HD 2400 3400 4600 5450 6450 7750 work fine. NONE of the R series work. So asus EAH 6450 is fine.
Polis Putrus
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June 4th, 2018 10:00
Hey speedstep im currently using an R5 240 1GB Low Profile and it works perfectly fine never had bluescreen or black screen, ALSO, I check the gpu temps very freequently and it never goes over 135 degrees fahrenheit, when idle its 86 degrees, simple tasks its 90-100 degrees, playing games, 105-125 degrees, so the gpu is perfectly fine and I have a copper cpu heatsink I removed it and its copper under. Should I upgrade to Core 2 Duo E6700 instead, BECAUSE, it uses 65w maximum just like my current Core 2 Duo e6400, and since a Quad can work im pretty sure an E6700 will work please let me know what you think. Also HEIDEN_2.6.6.exe is the exact same one I used from dell.com, and worked sucessfully, at startup it says BIOS 2.6.6. Thank You for the reply.
speedstep
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June 5th, 2018 06:00
"R5 240 1GB Low Profile " and how do you get into F2 BIos?
Which Brand/Model card is this?
Sapphire and Powercolor and quite a few others just say we dont support non UEFI. Getting into Bios does not work because DOS VESA Video mode 103 is not supported.
Polis Putrus
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June 5th, 2018 08:00
Im sorry I wasnt specific, its an AMD Radeon R5 240 1GB Low Profile, I understand the UEFI and BOIS thing, because I decided I was going to buy a Sapphire Geforce 710 2GB Low Profile but I saw in the comments below that someone bought it and he said, "it didnt work on my computer because its a UEFI card and my pc is BOIS," so I was very careful when I was deciding what to buy, AMD Radeon R5 240 1GB Low Profile. I hope this answers your question, Thank You.
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June 5th, 2018 09:00
"Low Profile" is not a Brand Name Like ASUS or MSI or Sapphire or Powercolor or Gigabyte ETC.
Its also not a model number. You also did not say how you got into F2 bios setup with the R series card ASUS for example is R7240-2GD3-L
There doesnt appear to EXIST an R5 240 but rather R5 230 as in R5230 SL-2GD3-L
https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/R5230SL2GD3L/
Polis Putrus
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June 5th, 2018 11:00
sorry, wont say low profile next time.
Polis Putrus
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June 5th, 2018 11:00
speedstep when I inserted the card I just turned the computer on like normal WITHOUT having any R5 240 drivers installed at all, I was very surprised it showed picture without drivers BUT when the computer turned on it was 800X600, when I went into device manager under Display Adapter it said I think Standard VGA Adapter, then I installed drivers and it went up to I think 1980X1080 and said R5 200 Series instead of Standard VGA Adapter, I never needed to enter the F2 setup in BIOS the computer loaded normally, Starting Windows, Password prompt then Welcome, the only issue BEFORE installing drivers was that It wasnt using the R5 240 to run my games even though the DVI cable was plugged into the R5 240, after installing and updating drivers it worked perfectly fine, games running faster, ALSO I overclocked it, downclocked it, changed the fan speed, nothing wrong, only problem with that is when I overclocked it from I believe 850mhz core clock to 1000mhz core clock, temp didnt go up much at all just 5-10 degrees fahrenheit, the display lagged for 2 seconds then the display froze completely, I force power off then power on, back to normal, I dont play using overclock I was just testing, I play games with regular core and memory clock settings.
What do you mean by, There doesnt appear to EXIST an R5 240 but rather R5 230 as in R5230 SL-2GD3-L
was there something I had to do in the F2 BIOS setup?
Polis Putrus
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June 5th, 2018 11:00
Polis Putrus
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June 5th, 2018 11:00
speedstep when I inserted the card I just turned the computer on like normal WITHOUT having any R5 240 drivers installed at all, I was very surprised it showed picture without drivers BUT when the computer turned on it was 800X600, when I went into device manager under Display Adapter it said I think Standard VGA Adapter, then I installed drivers and it went up to I think 1980X1080 and said R5 200 Series instead of Standard VGA Adapter, I never needed to enter the F2 setup in BIOS the computer loaded normally, Starting Windows, Password prompt then Welcome, the only issue BEFORE installing drivers was that It wasnt using the R5 240 to run my games even though the DVI cable was plugged into the R5 240, after installing and updating drivers it worked perfectly fine, games running faster, ALSO I overclocked it, downclocked it, changed the fan speed, nothing wrong, only problem with that is when I overclocked it from I believe 850mhz core clock to 1000mhz core clock, temp didnt go up much at all just 5-10 degrees fahrenheit, the display lagged for 2 seconds then the display froze completely, I force power off then power on, back to normal, I dont play using overclock I was just testing, I play games with regular core and memory clock settings.
What do you mean by, There doesnt appear to EXIST an R5 240 but rather R5 230 as in R5230 SL-2GD3-L
was there something I had to do in the F2 BIOS setup?
Also you said that the R Series cards are not supported, it is 100% working in my computer I am not lying to you, I bought it because it seemed like it would fit, AND I saw somewhere online someone said you can use any card that will fit as long as it uses low power the R5 240 uses 50 watts and only costs $24 on ebay so I HAD to buy it, I bought it put it in, works great!
speedstep
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June 6th, 2018 10:00
Dell R5 240 OEM 1 GB 490-BCEP Dell PN C48KP (Full Size Bracket)
Ok I found a DELL SPECIFIC CARD.
What I'm saying is that its bad advice to tell them that any ole card from any vendor works fine.
R5 240 1GB PCIe Low-Profile Graphics Card
DELL PN 0F9P1R (Low Profile Bracket)
R5 240
R5 235X
R5 235
R5 220
GPU ARCHITECTURE
28nm(GCN)
40nm
40nm
40nm
API SUPPORT5
DirectX® 11.2, Mantle, OpenGL 4.3
DirectX® 11, OpenGL 4.1
DirectX® 11, OpenGL 4.1
DirectX® 11, OpenGL 3.2
PCI EXPRESS® VERSION4
3
2
2
2
AMD POWERTUNE TECHNOLOGY2
Yes
No
No
No
4K RESOLUTION SUPPORT8
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
DDMA AUDIO
Yes
No
No
No
HDMI (WITH 4K, STEREO 3D, DEEP COLOR & X.V.COLOR™)
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
AMD TRUEAUDIO TECHNOLOGY9
No
No
No
No
AMD EYEFINITY (MAXIMUM DISPLAYS)
2
3
3
2
VIDEO CODEC ENGINE (VCE) (WITH H.264, MPEG-4 ASP, MPEG-2, VC-1 & BLU-RAY 3D)
No
No
No
No
GPU CLOCK SPEED
Up to 780MHz
Up to 875MHz
Up to 775MHz
Up to 650MHz
MEMORY AMOUNT
Up to 2GB GDDR5 or DDR3
Up to 1GB DDR3
Up to 1GB DDR3
Up to 1GB DDR3
STREAM PROCESSING UNITS
Up to 384
Up to 160
Up to 160
Up to 80
DELL-Chris M
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June 6th, 2018 14:00
The Q6700 was never validated by Dell with the Optiplex 745. The best we validated were =
JX146 Conroe E6700, 2.66GHz, 4MB, 1066FSB
KU345 Conroe E6600, 2.40GHz, 4MB, 1066FSB
Polis Putrus
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June 8th, 2018 19:00
I know that the Core 2 Quad Q6700 will work take a look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H1eJtZDkqY he has the exact same pc as I do, and I also have the latest bios 2.6.6, my problem is, I dont know if my 275 watt power supply is enough for both the Core 2 Quad Q6700 AND the AMD Radeon R5 240 1GB, soon I will record my entire pc showing all the specs and show you the video, Thank You for the replies.