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February 1st, 2012 18:00

New Graphics card for new processor

I just upgraded my 4700 to a faster P4. I had the P4 model 521and put a P4 670 in its' place. I have 4GB's of RAM and need to upgrade the Radeon x300 series card. What card(s) will work, even if a power supply upgrade is necessary? Still using XP Pro, MCE. Both the 521 and the 670 are 64-bit processors.  The 670 has an L2 cache of 2MB's whereas the 521 only had 1. Speed went from 2.4 to 3.8GHz.

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February 9th, 2012 23:00

XP is limited ... the multimedia vendors have been focusing their efforts on Windows 7.

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February 2nd, 2012 07:00

I just upgraded my 4700 to a faster P4. I had the P4 model 521and put a P4 670 in its' place. I have 4GB's of RAM and need to upgrade the Radeon x300 series card. What card(s) will work, even if a power supply upgrade is necessary? Still using XP Pro, MCE. Both the 521 and the 670 are 64-bit processors.  The 670 has an L2 cache of 2MB's whereas the 521 only had 1. Speed went from 2.4 to 3.8GHz.

Not worth putting the money to upgrade an old P4 system. Better off putting the money into a new system, might even work out cheaper.

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February 2nd, 2012 07:00

You are still dealing with old Pentium 4 technology which does not compare to the modern CPUs.  I think if you did not spend much for the CPU upgrade, then it was probably worth it.  However, upgrading the power supply and putting in a high-end video card will cause a bottleneck.  

Obviously, you can do better than your x300 though.  What is the purpose for the video card upgrade?  You have a 305 watt power supply.  Therefore, the best card you can get is a HD 6670.  It is really not a bad card and can be pretty good with gaming if that's what your looking to do.  However, even this card may still be bottlenecked by your old P4 so I would see no point in going beyond it with a PSU upgrade.  

If you look HERE, your CPU scores a 640 which is pretty low compared to the best ones today.  I think your other P4 scored a 313.  

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February 2nd, 2012 14:00

You can swap in a new 1155 mainboard (with SATA 6gbps and USB 3), Core i3 2105 (with Intel 3000 graphics), and 4gb RAM for about $225. That will be significantly better performance than the typical $300 entry-level PC.

The new mainboards don't have PATA ports, though, so you'd either have to add a PATA card or replace any PATA devices.

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February 3rd, 2012 10:00

This will work and wont harm your stock power supply or your wallet.

The Asus  Mfr Part #: 5450SLDI1GD3LP

http://shop.amd.com/us/Manufacturer/Asus/Detail/GraphicCard/5450SLDI1GD3LP

ASUS ATI Radeon HD 5450 (5450SLDI1GD3LP) 1024MB PCIe x16 Gen 2.1
  • GPU Model: ATI Radeon™ HD 5450
  • GPU Line: ATI Radeon™ HD 5400
  • Bus Type: PCIe x16 Gen 2.1
  • System Type: Desktop
  • Memory Amount: 1024MB
  • CrossFire Capable: Not Specified

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February 3rd, 2012 23:00

If you buy a 6670 ($100), you can move it into a new machine that you might buy later.

The 5450 is a low end card aimed at corporate PCs and home theater PCs.

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February 6th, 2012 10:00

you are wasting your money trying to upgrade a p4 system

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February 6th, 2012 11:00

It depends on what it's used for.

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February 7th, 2012 22:00

Thanks for all the input. I just want to make changes to newer technology, working within the boundaries that I am limited to. The cost of the 670 was only $40, so not pricey. The Radeon x300 though could stand some work and maybe add a Blu-Ray player. I'm also looking at getting a combo TV/Monitor so as to not duplicate screens. Right now, I seem to have lost the ability to switch from the monitor to the analog TV that I use to watch Netflix and DVDs on. Another reason to get a combo unit, as most of the newer video cards do not support S-video, which the x300 does. I'm not into gaming, so maybe don't really need a card that requires a larger PSU. I was kinda looking at only going up to 512MB, not necessarily all the way to 1GB. Still, for the $100, it wouldn't be that out of price range. Even a larger PSU at around the same cost would look reasonable. Besides, haven't really liked what I've seen from Win 7, to want to go that route with the cash.

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February 8th, 2012 10:00

Radeon X300 is well below minimum spec for BLUERAY playback.  X1600 is as low as you can go.

Blueray REQUIRES HDMI and HDCP which means you cannot use analog VGA or Svideo TV to watch blueray.

The 5450 will not require a new power supply.

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February 8th, 2012 11:00

The x1600 does not have hardware support for HD; that began with the 2XXX series.

I'd suggest a 6570 card, which can be had for around $60, less with a rebate or sale. It has an onboard HDMI 1.4-compatible HD audio device, and full hardware support for all three Blu-ray codecs, and it has reasonable 3D performance.

Blu-ray does not require HDMI and HDCP for full-resolution display of titles lacking the Image Constraint Token (ICT), and according to the Blu-ray FAQ, as of February 2011 no Region 1 titles have the ICT.

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

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February 8th, 2012 17:00

rdunnill, what about the 6670 version. It rates a tad better than a 5670 and runs about $100 or slightly less. As an aside, would putting in an Aprevia Iceberg 680w PSU hurt anything or be more of an overkill? A local (nationwide) electronics store listed it for $80. I'm just doing some of this for the experience. Maybe I should think about just building a unit. I'm leary of going to Win7 as an OS.

Something I have done was to add an 80mm fan to the space in front of the hard drive, blowing into the case, I reversed the case fan and the temp at the top panel is still cool to the touch, Was warmish prior to reversal.

Dell 4700, P4 670 @ 3.8Ghz, L2 @2MB, Win XP Pro MCE

4GB RAM, 15" LCD VGA monitor, 27" Sony analog TV (to watch DVDs and Netflix)

Creative Labs SB Live 24-bit audio card connected to 5.1 home theater system

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February 8th, 2012 19:00

The 6670 is a great card, if you want to spend $100. (If you buy a newer machine later, you can move it over.) The power supply would not hurt anything but it would be "overkill."

BTW there's little point to playing Blu-rays on an old-fashioned analog standard definition TV, as they simply can't display the resolution.  

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February 9th, 2012 17:00

rdunnill, thanks. I really wasn't planning on staying with the analog, just mentioning it as equipment. In my previous post  I went on about a Monitor/Digital TV unit. Trying to work with the MCE idea that "came" with the XP Pro system, whereby one appliance would work for both formats instead of having duplicate screens. I think that having a "closed-end" system like XP allows me to feel as if I'm getting the most out of what I have, unlike a newer system that may not have that restriction. Some of what I'm trying to achieve may be related to streaming of online videos. I want to get to a position where I don't need to wait for the buffer to fill before the video plays non-stop. And, maybe with my current equipment, that isn't an objective easily reached.

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