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March 4th, 2015 11:00
PS6100x and PS4000 Firmware
Hello -
My current environment has a Dell PS4000 at Firmware v6.0.5 connected to a Dell M1000e with VMware 5.0.
We recently ordered a Dell FX2. We have a PS6100x we are hoping to connect to the FX2. The Firmware on the PS6100x is v7.0.4.
Can the PS6100x be connected to the FX2?
If yes, can these 2 SANs be added to the same Configuration Group and Storage Pool at their current Firmware Version's to do a migration (vMotion) of VMs from the PS4000 to the PS61000x (VMware 5.5) or do we need to upgrade the Firmware to v7.1.2 on both?
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Origin3k
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March 4th, 2015 12:00
Things about to remember when working with EQL
1. All EQL members within the group must run on the same FW. Only during update you run a mixed setup for a short time. So update existing PS4000 first and than add PS6100 which than have to be upgraded
2. To get support all members need active maintenance within the group. So check the support for your ps4000
3. Your are not allowed to update to a newer FW on a member without active maintenance
If you speak about vSphere svMotion it doesnt matter if your placed your member to a existing pool, a different one or a in a 2nd. group. (We leave VAAI and xcopy out of the game here). But there is a easier way.....
If all members in the same pool the volumes a split automaticly over all members if you like. If you vacuate a old member out of the pool the data will migrate automaticly. Its easy and fast.
If the members are in different pools you can move one EQL volume after another between the pool. Its easy but need some clicks and you can only migrate one volume at once.
So.. ... there is no svMotion needed and no downtime of course.
Regards,
Joerg
RMB07
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March 4th, 2015 12:00
Hi Don -
So upgrade the 4000' firmware from 6.0.5 to 7.1.4?
Then upgrade the 6100 to 7.1.4?
Then proceed with the rest of your instructions?
Correct?
Can you explain - FX2 doesn't have enough capacity for both iSCSI and LAN? We built it with 2 I/O Modules with 8 Ports each, 4x Broadcom 1GB NICs and 2x CMCs
Sorry bit of a newbie.
Thanks!!
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March 4th, 2015 13:00
Hi,
well...most of the time you have to provide diags from the GroupLeader and the effected member. Maybe you can see the problem when GL run on an unsupportet member within your group. Also its most likely the case that the GL runs on the oldest, because it was the first member in your group.
About the FW thing.. its the same as with vSphere SnS and lot of others. If your SnS short ends after the Release of vSphere 5.0 youre not allowed to download and run 5.1 or 5.5 on your hosts. It doenst matter if the LIC Keys havent change Your entitlement stops with 5.0..
IIRC there is a statement about the PS5000 doesnt support the up comming 8.x and what that means for you. Same is true about unsupportet members.
Maybe Don or one of the others can say something about.
We collect our members which runs out of support in their own E-O-L group
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About not selling support for our PS6010X after 4.5 years we ask Dell "again" after the their first "no". They sell us 2 more years.
Regards,
Joerg
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March 4th, 2015 13:00
Hi Joerg,
Wanted to follow up on your points #2 and #3 as these don't really make sense to me.
I have 5 members in a single EQL Group at the moment. One of these arrays is a PS6000E and will be end-of-life on support next month. I have already evacuated all volumes from this array to another pool within the group. My plan is to place the E-O-L array into it's own pool and dedicate that pool to being spare storage for development or playground needs, knowing it should never be used for anything production since we no longer have support.
Just because this one array is off support, why should this prevent me from getting support on the other 4 arrays which are in a separate pool and all have valid support? Anytime I've worked with EQL support, I've always only given them the service tag of the array in question. They've never asked me how many other arrays I have and whether they all are under current support. By that logic, it means that once any single array in a group reaches end-of-life, they all essentially reach end-of-life and are no longer under support, even if other arrays are only months old with years left on support, and therefore should no longer be used in any production capacity. Seems ridiculous.
Additionally, why am I not allowed to update the FW on a member without active maintenance? I understand I can't get EQL Support to assist in any way with that member, but, what is preventing me from updating the FW on my own?
This is the first I'm hearing of such policies and it certainly caught my attention. I'd like to continue renewing support on this array, but, Dell won't let me. That's not my fault they won't renew past 5 years and they certainly didn't tell me that during the initial purchase. I'm not about to just throw out 12TB of perfectly good storage capacity, nor will I spend time and effort moving it into it's own group. I can't see any sense in such policies.
Thanks,
Ryan
rdf6
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March 5th, 2015 05:00
Joerg - thanks for the additional info. Actually, my GL is not the oldest member in the group and in any case, so what if it happens to be the GL which actually generates the diags for the group, as long as the issue I'm calling in about doesn't originate from the unsupported array.
Don - sorry, but, Dell should have been upfront about this policy instead of waiting until an array actually goes EOL. How come the sales people don't make this stuff clear when they come in to do their dog and pony show? I was told the arrays we were purchasing would ALWAYS remain compatible with future EQL models.
Besides the CYA policy from Dell, there is no technical reason to have to put the EOL array into its own group. It's already in its own storage pool within the group and will never mix with supported arrays. It's an unnecessary waste of staff time and resources to do this kind of reconfiguration.
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March 5th, 2015 05:00
Hi Don - Can you expand on the process of - RAIDset is built and all the 6100X interfaces are enabled, then move it into the same pool with the PS4000. Then you can move that PS4000 to that temp pool?
Do you have a document or link for this process and how to accomplish this?
Thank You!
Origin3k
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March 5th, 2015 07:00
He talks about the standard install and setup procedere. But instead doing this when the member is already part of your production Pool you do all these steps in a "maintanence pool". I our case this is always the "default" one.
So add it to the "maintanence" pool and take time to finshed
- Raid "re"build
- Upgrade PS FW and Drive FW
- Bringing up all ETHs
- Create documentation
- Create a Test volume and see if the Hosts can connect to
- Run some benchmarks
- Perform tests like a controller failover (The "restart" option within the Group Manager GUI)
and then.... move it into your production pool. The volume loadbalacing for distributing the data is enabled by default on the group. So as soon as the member joins the pool it becomes active (we dont talk about Raid preference here).
Regards,
Joerg
RMB07
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March 5th, 2015 10:00
ETHs stands for?
:) Thanks,
Origin3k
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March 5th, 2015 10:00
ETHernet.
Your EQL have eth0, eth1 .... and so on. With the integrated setup wizzard you only setup one ethernet device which is most likly eth0.
I have seen a lot of installation where the Admin have forget to configure the other devices :)
Regards,
Joerg
RMB07
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March 5th, 2015 11:00
Hi Don - When you move the 6100x to the same Pool as the PS4000, is that when the data gets "moved, copied or replicated" to the PS4000? If there is no need to use vMotion, how does the data get transferred? to the new array? Or does this automatically happen when you move the new array into the same Pool and the PS4000?
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March 5th, 2015 12:00
Check the advanced tab for the group within the Group Manager. There is an option called "Enable load balancing in pool". Its enable by default.
So if you have more than one member in a pool a Volume spans over all of them. In theorie it goes over up to three members but it can be more than three.
This loadbalancing is how EQLs scales out.
Regards,
Joerg
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March 5th, 2015 12:00
Ah right.
I remember that we have to disable page moving/balacing in the tech support mode during trouble shooting.
@RMB07
Click on a volume in the GroupManager and you will see the distribution.
The volume spreads over 3 EQLs.
Regards,
Joerg