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August 31st, 2015 12:00

Isilon Onefs 7.2 NDMP Backup and Restore

Can we restore the filsystem with shares to a non isilon system and keep the same structure ? It will still be NDMP to NDMP .

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August 31st, 2015 12:00

Each storage vendor (and NAS device) has its own, unique geometry and metadata for its filesystem.  These filesystem dependencies carry over into the format of the backup on tape.  These dependencies are also inherited by their NDMP backups and are independent of the NDMP protocol itself.

For example, NetBackup supports Isilon, VNX and Netapp,among others.  However, it does not support restoring VNX data to Isilon or Netapp.  Similarly, EMC Avamar supports those same NDMP platforms, but does not support restoring one NDMP backup to a different architecture.  This is because each vendor implements elements of the NDMP specification differently, to suit their individual filesystems.

Even though many vendors support NDMP backups (and even three-way backups between different vendors, as an example), their unique implementations add a layer of complexity.

Let us know if that helps!

Karl

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August 31st, 2015 17:00

If you want to be able to backup and restore independent of the underlying storage architecture, you can configure the backup application to backup using File Protocols, such as SMB and/or NFS.

Otherwise, as others have mentioned NDMP is a command and control protocol. It can make a series of calls against a variety of different storage platform to initiate a backup/restore using the native backup format of the underlying storage platform.

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August 31st, 2015 17:00

In short.  NDMP is a transport protocol, not a data format.

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August 31st, 2015 20:00

While every said before is totally correct, there are (limited) ways to extract data Isilon NDMP backups. If you are interested, and you can omit Windows permissions (ACLs), and need it for a one time job or a "plan C", let me know.

-- Peter

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September 1st, 2015 14:00

Pete I did not get that ? If we have a NDMP full from isilon , if we need to restore it to any Linux file system and keep the same shares ? how could we do that or can we ? This is for low cost DR situation ..

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September 2nd, 2015 00:00

Ok, here it is, BUT do not make this part of a paid solution, it's unsupported

and more a "last resort" kind of thing:

Install a virtual Isilon node in your favorite VMware hypervisor.

Mount the target Linux file system on the virtual node via NFS.

Perform a network-based (three-way) NDMP restore to the virtual node,

redirected to the NFS mount.

Strangely, the NFS mount must be under /ifs, e.g. /ifs/restore

But the actual /ifs file system, which is pretty slow on virtual nodes,

is never touched by the restore.

The performance will depend on the whole pipeline:

NDMP/tape source --> network paths to and from the virtual node

--> ingest performance of the Linux system. Writing  tons of small files

over NFS would be inherently slow.

For a supported, transferable backup solution you will need to

rely on NFS/SMB-based backups in the first place, as stated by the others!

Cheers

-- Peter

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September 2nd, 2015 07:00

Guys if I am reading "EMC avamar NDMP accelerator for EMC NAS Systems" version 7.2 User Guide Rev 01 - PAGE 41 , it talks about "Restoring to a Linux or Windows Client from NDMP backups" ?

Can some one validate that for me please ..

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September 2nd, 2015 08:00

Seems that Avamar, being an EMC product like Isilon, is able to correctly decode the Isilon backup streams sent over NDMP.

Which isn't too hard as Isilon uses an augmented tar format... which only theoretically gives you another way to extract stuff by yourself (I have tried and like the virtual node method more ).

-- Peter

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September 2nd, 2015 11:00

So "Restoring to a Linux or Windows Client from NDMP backups"  from isilon NDMP is this a true statement ?

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September 2nd, 2015 15:00

I would not make that statement in general.

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September 2nd, 2015 15:00

I will leave that to the Avamar folks to determine if they do any translation of file formats.  It's tricky, especially when you have multi-protocol permissions.  How do you restore those properly to a system that doesn't understand how they are created?  The backup software will have to make some decisions about that.

It may be possible to extract stuff on your own.  But then you are responsible for what the data looks like (and especially what the metadata looks like) when you write it to a non-Isilon system.  If it doesn't work, I don't think there will be much support for that.

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September 3rd, 2015 06:00

I admit I was surprised to see that Avamar supports this at all. Apparently it lets you choose either a Linux or a Windows target without mentioning issues arising from a mismatch, sigh.

Cheers

-- Peter

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