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January 9th, 2009 16:00

Studio 1537 graphics corruption with various Intel GMA 4500MHD drivers

Resolved:  Intel admits flaw in Graphics Memory Controller Hub (see item 10 on page 14 of http://www.intel.org/Assets/PDF/specupdate/320123.pdf).
Workaround:  Have same size memory in both slots (upgrade from 3GB to 4GB total), or only one memory slot used (downgrade from 3GB to 2GB), or disable Intel Virtualization Technology (VT-d) which some models of computer have BIOS setting for, and others require a BIOS update to accomplish.  Dell has been providing BIOS updates for some notebook models, and memory upgrades for others.  This defect affects many brands and models of computers with the Intel GM45/GS45 Express Chipset.

Also see updates at end of this post

Please, I want to know if other Studio 1537's with integrated Intel GMA 4500MHD graphics exhibit the problem mine does -- is this a software/driver problem or do I have a hardware malfunction.  I describe below a test you can do on your Studio 1537.

My month old Studio 1537 experiences intermittent but frequent graphics corruption while using Direct3D graphics when using any of four video/graphic Intel GMA driver updates that are newer than the original driver that came with the computer.  The "Performance Information and Tools" control panel also shows a significant drop in measured performance with the newer drivers.  Dell Tech Support tells me they don't know of any such problem with the video drivers supplied on Dell Downloads.  At first, I thought it may be related to other changes or additions I had made with the system, but have since tried a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 on an external eSATA drive (so that I wouldn't have to do a PC-Restore as Dell Tech Support wanted me to do) followed by the careful installation of necessary drivers in the sequence specified by Dell Article ID 296410.  After installing any of the newer graphics driver packages, the problem still occurs. 

So far, I know of two ways to see the problem with standard applications supplied with Windows Vista Premium SP1:  1)  Photo Screen Saver in Collage theme (which uses Direct3D), 2)  game Purple Place  In fact, running both at the same time seems to increase probability of seeing corruption.  For Photo Screen Saver, right-click on desktop - Personalize - Screen Saver - select Photos from drop-down list - enter Settings - select theme Collage, slide show speed Fast - Save.  Click Preview to test.  To make test more rigorous, click Start - Games - Purple Place - start playing game - while game is running, click Screen Saver Setting in taskbar and click Preview.  On my system, the photos often have an intermittent corruption that shows small portions of the photos mislocated in a fine checkerboard pattern similar to an address line/bit malfunction.  Some photos will sometimes flicker back and forth between clean and corrupt rapidly on my system.  The Purple Place game also often shows corruption with graphic elements intermittently corrupt with pixels mislocated.  These symptoms really look like a hardware malfunction, but when the machine is running with the original driver the fault doesn't happen.  Are the newer drivers using the hardware in a different way that is exposing a hardware fault, or are all of the newer drivers faulty?  If a few people can help by confirming whether they do or don't experience this problem, then I can conclude whether I have a unique hardware fault or not.  If I'm not the only one with the problem, then Dell and Intel need to know about it.

To find your current graphics driver version, do Control Panel - Device Manager - Display Adapters - double-click Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family (if yours isn't this then your system doesn't apply) - Driver tab - examine Driver Version.  My original, works-okay-version is 7.15.10.1508 dated 6/20/2008 and provides a Windows Graphics Performance Information measurement of 3.8.  Two versions I tried that came from Dell Downloads, one ending in 1545 (titled GM45 Video in Dell Downloads, and providing a 3.4 graphics performance score), and one ending in 1576 (titled Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD, and providing a 3.4 graphics performance score), both exhibit the malfunction.  I tried two newer yet versions from Intel downloads for the Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family (which the GM45 in the Studio 1537 is a member of the family), one is a Nov '08 release with version number ending in 1591 (providing 3.4 Graphics score), and the other is a Dec '08 release with version ending in 1608 (provides a low 3.1 Graphics score).  Both of these exhibit the graphics corruption malfunction, too.  If I uninstall the new driver (using the Programs and Features control panel), reboot, and reinstall the old original driver, the problem goes away.  It seems very strange that the Windows Graphics Performance Information measurement is going down with the newer drivers.  Does your machine exhibit this opposite of usual driver update behavior?

I will really appreciate any input, opinion, advice I receive on this issue.  I don't want to have to ship this computer off for a Dell Depot repair or replacement if there isn't truly a hardware fault.  This Studio 1537 has already been repaired twice by BancTec in-home service in its short one month life -- first to replace an intermittent DVD drive, and second to repair damage done by the first technician.

I was supposed to ship this computer to my Sister to be received about a week before Christmas.  What a nightmare this has been.  This intermittent graphics corruption problem has been exceedingly difficult to troubleshoot and draw meaningful conclusions.

Thanks in advance,

OB Ron

UPDATE Nov 23, 09:  Problem seems to be "solved" by removing the 1GB memory stick as recommended recently in this thread and elsewhere.  Now the question is whether the problem is caused by having two sticks of RAM, or by having mismatched (2Gb & 1GB) sticks, or by a particular brand/model of memory, or by some driver or OS problem that shows up with certain amounts of memory.  I think it's a hardware problem that is aggravated by various software configurations and usage scenarios. 

If replacing the 1GB stick with a 2GB stick also solves the problem, then I agree with others who have said Dell should AT LEAST send us a 2GB memory stick free of charge.  Personally, I think that for all they've cost me and all the time wasted, they should offer some greater form of compensation, such as a full price trade-in towards any product(s) I want to buy.

I kick myself for not thinking of trying removing the 1GB memory stick ten months ago.  Since the hardware was under warranty, I let Dell do all the hardware troubleshooting.  In hindsight, though, it should have been a natural thing to try.  I didn't touch the cursed notebook for about eight months --I was just too fed up with it and Dell, plus I had a serious health problem that caused me to not want any more annoyance and aggravation during that time.  Sorry for not participating in this thread until now.  BTW, my sister has been happy with her Mac notebook that I purchased for her because of this problem.

Thanks to those who have been contributing and at least to some degree figured out a problem that Dell should have a loooong time ago.

My memory sticks are "Hynix 1GB 2Rx16 PC2-6400S-666-12, HYMP112S64CP6-S6 AB-C  0834" & "Hynix 2GB 2Rx8 PC2-6400S-666-12, HYMP125S64CP8-S6 AB  0832"

OB Ron

UPDATE Nov 26, 09:  Dell called me this morning to tell me they have found the cause of the problem, and that a fix is expected to be released on Dec 4th -- a BIOS update.  I was told that the problem may occur with the chipset used in the Studio 1537 (and other models) when the integrated graphics is used along with a 3GB memory configuration.  This news comes to me one year to the day since I purchased this computer, and more than ten months since contacting Dell Tech Support about the problem. Without the Community Forum, the many irate voices, and troubleshooting efforts by some to focus the problem on memory malfunction -- thanks to all of you -- I think Dell would have sloughed it off forever.

Dell seriously needs to examine their policies, procedures, and practices regarding unresolved technical problems, as well as their handling of dissatisfied customers.  That it took this long to give this problem the attention it deserved is shameful and disgusting.  They just quit trying to fix the problem, and wouldn't allow me to return the computer for a refund, or trade for a different model.  I started to get legal help to resolve the problem, but in February I was diagnosed with a serious medical problem.  The Studio 1537 just sat on a table, not being used, for about eight months. 

The Studio 1537 was supposed to be a Christmas present for my sister -- my selecting it, ordering it, paying for part of it, and preparing it and testing it to try to assure it would be a good computer for her.  It turned out to be a nightmare.  I put a lot of time into preparing the computer before the graphics problem was detected, including having Dell replace a defective DVD drive, and come back again to repair damage done to the computer during the first repair. The graphics defect appeared when I thought I was almost done, upon setting up a bunch of old family photos as a screen saver as part of my gift.  I wasted a tremendous amount of time trying to resolve the problem or trying to prove to Dell that it was a hardware problem.  I wasn't going to give my sister a defective computer.  I had little use for it, especially since I didn't trust its reliability.  It would have been very difficult to sell a defective computer -- so it sat.  If the BIOS fix works okay, I will probably try to sell it, but I imagine I will lose about half its purchase price.

It's no wonder why Dell's reputation has declined so much.  Dell could be a great company again, but it's going to take good leadership from the top.

OB Ron

UPDATE Dec 17, 09:  After updating to the new Intel video driver a couple of weeks ago (v15.16.1.1968 11/30/2009 from the Studio 1737 driver downloads), I reported to the Dell Tech Support manager handling my case, Inam, that the problem persists and asked when an updated BIOS would be released for the 1537 as was done for the 1737.  He called me this afternoon to tell me that Dell isn't currently planning on updating the BIOS for the 1537 because they don't have sufficient complaints to warrant it.  They seem to have more problems with the 1737 model.  Without a forthcoming BIOS update, to resolve my case, Inam offered to upgrade my memory from 3 GB to 4GB by mailing me a 2GB stick and having me return the 1GB stick to them.  Thanks Inam for taking action to conclude this nightmare -- at least for me. 

I wonder how many other people have problems, and don't know it, maybe not till they upgrade to Windows 7 or update their display driver.  If a BIOS upgrade can fix this problem, I think it would be wise of Dell to do it as soon as possible so their customer's have their computers work as expected and not have to deal with troubleshooting a strange problem.  I had two different main boards and two different sets of memory have exactly the same problem, so I don't think this is an uncommon malfunction with the 3GB memory configuration.  I think it's a poor reflection on Dell that they don't care enough about their customers to provide a known fix to the BIOS to prevent future problems and be able to have a quick answer available when a customer calls in with the problem.  I believe this 3GB memory malfunction is a serious problem that deserves a fix just based on common sense ethics.

OB Ron

UPDATE Jan 6, 10: Upgrading from 3GB to 4GB memory has solved the problem for my Studio 1537.  This appears to have worked well for many others, too. 

I did a clean install of 64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade (which I preordered in August for $50 for this purpose) on the Studio 1537 using an 80GB Windows partition and a 208GB Data partition.  Since Dell doesn't support Windows 7 on a Studio 1537, it's necessary to get various drivers and updates from the Studio 1737 Windows 7 64-bit downloads (and ignore the fact that the Studio 1537 isn't listed as compatible even though it's internally basically the same as a 1737), and/or get drivers or updates from chip manufacturer web sites (e.g. there is a recent INF Update utility and newer video/graphics driver on the Intel site for the Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family).  Note that Dell only provides drivers for the Studio 1737 for 64-bit Windows 7, not 32-bit (which with 4GB of memory, you probably don't want to use anyway).  It took some effort but the result seems to be working very well.  Be aware that some of the Dell supplied utilities with Vista aren't available for Windows 7.  One new application on the Dell Studio 1737 downloads is Sonic Solutions Roxio Burn.  It's a nice improvement over what was provided with the Studio 1737, but if you need a free DVD burning app with more capability, I recommend ImgBurn (http://www.imgburn.com/).  I haven't really used the upgraded system much because I'm selling the computer, and keeping it close to a clean fresh minimal system to make it easier to sell.  It appears, though, that the combination of 4GB memory and 64-bit Windows 7 is a major upgrade for this computer that provides a much nicer user experience and improved performance.

Dell not supporting Windows 7 upgrades on the Studio 1537 is another reason to criticize them.  The Studio 1537 seems to be an abandoned product in this respect.  I think they know that upgrading a Studio 1537 to Windows 7 will expose the graphics corruption malfunction because the driver included with Windows 7 will cause the problem for most, if not all, with 3GB of memory.

Thanks to all who have helped force a resolution to this problem.

OB Ron

December 17th, 2009 21:00

I'm also having the screen corruption problem that you are experiencing on the following configuration:

  • Studio 1537
  • Core2 T5800 (no VT-d support)
  • 3 GB ram (1 GB stick + 2 GB stick)
  • Intel GMA 4500MHD
  • Windows 7 64-bit

I had this issue with Vista 64-bit and also now with Windows 7 64-bit.  Here is a copy of errata #10 listed on page 14 from Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family Graphics Memory Controller Hub (G)MCH:

Notice in the workaround section the suggestion of either using matched sized memory modules (symmetric interleaved) or a single memory module eliminates the problem.  That corresponds with what others have found.  It is interesting that disabling Intel VT-d support should work too, but since I have Core2 T5800, VT-d isn't supported and can't be turned off (or on).

There are users experiencing this problem on the Studio 1537 and it is a known Intel errata.  Who do we need to contact at Dell to explain this problem is real, it happens due to the particular ram configuration Dell shipped from the factory and there needs to be a Bios update?

 

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December 18th, 2009 03:00

OB Ron,

 

I'm jealous!!! All I got was a Bios update. Memory would have been nice! :emotion-5:

 

Glad you stuck it out. Happy Holidays and take care,

 

 

Rick

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December 19th, 2009 21:00

i am having the same EXACT problem. with the latest bios and drivers running windows 7 64 ultimate and had the same problem with vista sp2. i have a studio 1537 with 3gb of ram and it got ALOT worse in the past 4 days for some odd reason. i used to be able to watch 720p movies without a problem and now i cant even get 2 minutes into one before i start getting curruption/choppyness.

 

from everything i'v read i think dell needs to stop being lazy and release the new bios update that fixes the problem. Should i call and complain or do it here?

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December 20th, 2009 01:00

Seconded! Dell technical support is probably the best way. My laptop is just outside of its warranty period so I can't call technical support - otherwise I would have done so numerous times :(

There are plenty of people needing this fix, and it is way past time that Dell did something...

December 20th, 2009 06:00

My suggestion for anyone who is experiencing this video corruption problem is to contact dell technical support and point them to this thread (also to the Intel errata in the posts above).  You can also add a post to this thread to make it easier for the next person when they call technical support.  The original one year warranties on the Studio 1537 will be quickly running out so time is of the essence.

I find it offensive a company like Dell knows there is a known Intel errata with GM45 chipset that they sold in several of their laptop models, issues a fix on at least one of the models (Studio 1737) and then ignores all of the other models hoping the warranties will expire before enough people complain.

December 20th, 2009 14:00

You can determine if the warranty is still valid by using the "Service Tag" printed on a sticker on the bottom of the laptop.  Go to Dell's website and go to the home support.  All the way at the bottom of the page (black background with white letters) you will find "Support:  Warranty Information."  Just type in your service tag when asked and you will see how much time is left on the warranty.

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December 20th, 2009 14:00

i bought my laptop off ebay how do i check if its still under warranty?

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December 20th, 2009 14:00

omg thank you! 2 days left! i am calling them now.

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December 25th, 2009 18:00

I am having same issues after upgrading to windows 7.  Here is my system:

Studio 1537

Windows 7

RAM 3GB

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December 25th, 2009 18:00

Hi veerana, thats the same system as I have got :( 

As a temporary solution, I have found that downgrading to a very old driver does not produce as many glitches. Currently, I am using driver version 7.15.10.1508, and only once has the graphics corruption appeared for a small time. However, this driver is horrible - it halved my framerate in 3d applications, aero randomly cuts out occasionally, and some 2d applications are horribly jerky when displayed on a larger monitor.

Do you still have your Dell warranty? If so then I would advise contacting Dell about the problem - if you are lucky then Dell will finally stop being slack and release a bios update to fix the issue. Or if you are really lucky you will get a 2gb ram stick :).

If you don't still have your warranty, then you are stuck like me :(   Downgrading driver is a temporary fix at best, so all we can do is hope that Dell stops ignoring us and releases a fix, as they did for the 17 inch model.

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December 26th, 2009 00:00

Veerana,

The video driver provided with Windows 7 for the GM45 mobile chipset is one of the newer ones that aggravates or exposes the graphics memory corruption problem, and thus if someone hasn't previously upgraded the video driver, the problem is very likely going to be first exposed upon upgrading to Windows 7.  Since 4GB of memory solves the graphics corruption problem (Intel admits it and the problem is gone now on my Studio 1537 since Dell provided the upgrade to 4GB, and others have said the same), and 64-bit Windows 7 works well with 4GB memory, I think this is a winning combination, and a nice upgrade.  If I had known I could have spent about $50 and avoided all the hassles with Dell, plus improved performance (not just because of more memory, but also faster interleaved memory cycle times), I would have done it in a flash.  In principle though, they're responsible for a defective product, and I can understand wanting them to provide the fix. 

I'm in the process of backing up, reformatting (with 100GB Windows partition, and 200GB data partition -- which also improves performance and provides lots of other benefits), and fresh installing 64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium (which Microsoft doesn't make easy when using an upgrade, but I believe is necessary for changing to 64-bit).  I'll report back afterward on results.

Dell kind of leaves us on our own with upgrading a Studio 1537 to Windows 7.  They don't supply any Windows 7 compatible drivers or Dell Applications in the Dell Studio 1537 Downloads, but I believe we can use most of the drivers and apps supplied under the Studio 1737 Downloads section for Windows 7 64-bit, and also get newer drivers from chip manufacturer sites (such as at Intel for a newer version of the video/graphics driver than is posted on Dell Downloads).  I think Dell doesn't want to support Windows 7 on the Studio 1537 because they know that it will expose the graphics corruption problem.  The 1737 has the same problem, but Dell has posted the BIOS upgrade to "fix" it.  This isn't a true fix because the change in the BIOS is probably disabling Intel Virtualization Technology, which is a feature that you may want to take advantage of at some point.

OB Ron

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December 27th, 2009 09:00

Thanks Jordy27 and OB Ron for your replies and suggestions, my system is under warranty until April 2010, so I think I am going to contact Dell next week and will post the progress.

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December 30th, 2009 08:00

Hi

I seem to be having a similar problem with with my Dell Studio EXCEPT it is a model 1555 NOT the 1537 but it is a UK model. Is this just the equivalent model in the UK can anyone tell me?

I also have the twin, unmatched, memory modules:1 x 2048 & 1 x 1024MB. GM45 chipset. Windows 7.

It is a BRAND NEW ( just bought for Christmas) computer and disappointing to be suffering from these glitches. I spent 4 hours on the phone to Dell Technical support, being passed from pillar to post and eventually told it is a software problem and that I'd have to pay them to get it fixed!! I declined and they simply said there was nothing else they could do and take it up with customer care-but warned me that there was nothing they would do either. Great service, eh? Especially for something that seems to be a known problem.

I'm hugely disappointed in Dell, whom I thought were better, and am wondering if you have any suggestions on here as how to approach this?

I would like to know if the Studio 1555 is the same/and or likely to be suffering from the same problem(it certainly looks like it)first of all though.

Also, what sort of difference would I see in terms of performance if I took out the 1024 module and operated only with the 2048MB one? I am a relatively light websurfing, occasional games computer user NOT at the cutting edge!!

Many thanks for any help from a very confused, non computer savvy, user!

Heraldic

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December 30th, 2009 12:00

i took my 1gb stick out and sold it on craigslist then i ordered a new 2gb pc2-6400 ddr2 sodimm and its working great. taking the 1gb stick out fixed everything and the other 2gb made things a little quicker again. just try to get a stick that matches the latencys here are mine:

JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #3 6.0-6-6-18-24 @ 400 MHz

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December 30th, 2009 16:00

Has anyone tried to use HDMI to watch a movie with audio through hdmi?  My sound works but pops, and crackles alot. 

I think this might be another issue with these, 'studio' laptops.  Ya know the multimedia notebooks.

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