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frogalex

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March 18th, 2005 01:00

X800Mobility Vs 6800Go Ultra test is out ~

 
Both 12piplines with GDDR3 256M VideoMemory
 
...............................................................3Dmark2003.......3Dmark2005 .....DoomIII...@1024 HQ 8XAF
X800 Mobility  459/459MHZ   W/P4 3.2G    9621                    4298          65.7FPS
6800 Go Ultra 450/550MHZ   W/PM 2.0G   12533                  5233          100.2FPS

frogalex

35 Posts

March 19th, 2005 07:00

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 19th, 2005 19:00

Ah they are comparing apples and oranges there.
 
2 Different CPU's..the P4 3.2 Ghz to the Pent M 2.0Ghz.
 
855 Chipset with DDR to the 915 Chipset with DDR2.
 
AGP bus to PCI Express.
 
 
When compared on the same platform they are about the same in performance.
 
That test is very lopsided in favor of the 6800go Ultra.
 
 

frogalex

35 Posts

March 20th, 2005 09:00

now we are talking about X800 Mobility PCIE not M9800 AGP
u prob misunderstood it
it's the newly lunched 12pipline X800 M
not the old 9800M( X800AGP 8pipline ver)
it is PCIE not Agp
PM2.0G's performance is close to P4 2.8-3.0G
so X800 take advantage of the P4 3.2Gcpu

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 20th, 2005 13:00


@frogalex wrote:
now we are talking about X800 Mobility PCIE not M9800 AGP
u prob misunderstood it
it's the newly lunched 12pipline X800 M
not the old 9800M( X800AGP 8pipline ver)
it is PCIE not Agp
PM2.0G's performance is close to P4 2.8-3.0G
so X800 take advantage of the P4 3.2Gcpu


The 855 chipset doesn't have PCI express support, it's AGP only, so the P4 machine would be the underdog to start with.

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 20th, 2005 15:00


@frogalex wrote:
ati won't say it's x800 if it is agp
dunt u know that?
9800is based on X800 but ati call it 9800 bcz it's not pcie 
and on the other hand
AGP and pcie in real game performance
is only 2-3fps diff only
got it?   =  )


Ah X800's are available in both PCI express and AGP.

Ah no the 9800 is not based on the X800 either, they are 2 totally different GPU's, HUGE difference in the 2 GPU's.

I have a ATI X800 Pro in my desktop and it is AGP.

If you goto the ATI website it will lay it all out for you.

I own both an X800 Pro and X800 SE and both are AGP.

Also as an added note the X800 came out along time after the 9800 did, so there is no way that the 9800 could be based on the X800.

Message Edited by jankerson on 03-20-2005 01:00 PM

frogalex

35 Posts

March 20th, 2005 15:00

ati won't say it's x800 if it is agp
dunt u know that?
9800is based on X800 but ati call it 9800 bcz it's not pcie 
and on the other hand
AGP and pcie in real game performance
is only 2-3fps diff only
got it?   =  )

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 20th, 2005 16:00

 
Here are Picts of MY X800 Pro.

Message Edited by jankerson on 03-20-2005 01:11 PM

frogalex

35 Posts

March 21st, 2005 00:00

and the new X800 mobility 12pipline above is PCIE ver
check out Ati's home page
 
" The PCI Express® Advantage
The MOBILITY™ RADEON® X800 offers a future-proof solution by fully adopting the newest PC architecture standard – PCI Express® to support current and upcoming game titles, operating systems and multimedia applications. ATI’s PCI Express® graphics have the ability to send and receive data simultaneously at twice the speed of current AGP 8X solutions with reliability and better power management by offering a one-chip PCI Express® solution."
 
 
basically X800 M and M9800 are based on the same tech and same chip
 
the only diff is X800 is 12 pipline PCIE and Pcie 9800M is 8 pipline and agp
 
Ati promised that X800 Mobility is going to be 25% faster than the 6800 go
 
yeah they made it ! great job!
 
How ever, even though X800 Mobility has 12 pipline and pcie
 
and  has a higher core clock rate than the 6800Go ultra
 
6800 Go ultra still easily beat it up ~
 
6800Go ultra is 25%-30% faster than the X800 Mobility in Direct X applications
 
and about 54% faster than the X800M in heavy Open GL applications ~
 

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 21st, 2005 00:00


@frogalex wrote:
The basis for the MR9800 is the graphics core of the X800,

i.e. the first graphics chip from ATi with PCI express interface.

Why isn't the chip called Mobility Radeon X800, then?

Well, ATi decided that only products with the PCI Express Interface may have an "X" in the model name,

and the MR9800 is only a graphics processor with an AGP interface. "

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040727/radeon_9800-01.html



He's wrong.

The X800 is available on both the PCI Express and AGP. Has been sense it came out.

And the 855 Chipset ONLY supports AGP.

So he is wrong there too.

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/855pm/index.htm

http://ati.com/products/radeonx800/specs.html

RADEON X800 Technology Specifications
  • 160 million transistors on 0.13 micron low-k fabrication process
  • Up to sixteen extreme parallel pixel pipelines
  • Six programmable vertex shader pipelines
  • 256-bit quad-channel GDDR3 memory interface
  • AGP 8X support or PCI Express ™ support

 

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 21st, 2005 00:00

Explain how the put a PCI Express card in a Laptop with the I855 Chipset that only supports AGP.:smileywink:

See what I am getting at here, the basic BOARD AND CHIPSET doesn't support PCI Express in the first place.

Don't believe everything you read on Tom's.

frogalex

35 Posts

March 21st, 2005 00:00

Tomshardware is not wrong
 
yeah for desktop 9800 and x800 are totally 2 diff chips
 
but for note book 9800M and X800 are based on the same X800 tech
 
 
9800 Mobility is based on the X800 tech not the desktop 9800
 
it is X800 Mobility AGP ver ~ Ati confused the consumers by the name "9800"
 
check out here for details okay?  lets see who's right
 
and i used to consider to buy a machine equiped with 9800 M
 
so i wrote an email to Ati and they replied me and confirmed
 
9800Mobility is the X800 Mobility's Agp ver on notebook
 
if u dunt belive me u can check out tomshardware's review of 9800M
 
or write an email to ati to confim it ~
 
tomshardware is the world's most  famous hadware site: 
 
 

"Its name might lead one to suspect that the graphics core of the MR9800 is a derivative of the Radeon 9800 (R350)

or Radeon 9800XT (R360) desktop chip,

both of which have eight pixel pipelines and four vertex shaders. However, that is not the case here.

The basis for the MR9800 is the graphics core of the X800,

i.e. the first graphics chip from ATi with PCI express interface.

Why isn't the chip called Mobility Radeon X800, then?

Well, ATi decided that only products with the PCI Express Interface may have an "X" in the model name,

and the MR9800 is only a graphics processor with an AGP interface. "

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040727/radeon_9800-01.html

frogalex

35 Posts

March 21st, 2005 00:00

9800 is based on the X800 tech not the desktop 9800
 
it is X800 AGP ver ~
 
check out here for details okay?  lets see who's right :smileyvery-happy:
 
 
tomshardware
 
 

"Its name might lead one to suspect that the graphics core of the MR9800 is a derivative of the Radeon 9800 (R350)

or Radeon 9800XT (R360) desktop chip,

both of which have eight pixel pipelines and four vertex shaders. However, that is not the case here.

The basis for the MR9800 is the graphics core of the X800,

i.e. the first graphics chip from ATi with PCI express interface.

Why isn't the chip called Mobility Radeon X800, then?

Well, ATi decided that only products with the PCI Express Interface may have an "X" in the model name,

and the MR9800 is only a graphics processor with an AGP interface. "

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040727/radeon_9800-01.html

 

U said that “there is no way that the 9800 could be based on the X800.”

let me show u :smileyvery-happy:

check out all the site links below they all mentioned 9800 is based on the X800 tech
 
 
An 8-Pipe X800 For Your Notebook

MOBILITY RADEON 9800 - The New Face of Mobile Gaming

•_Based on ATI RADEON X800 technology

 

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_mobility_radeon_9800_review/

The Mobility Radeon 9800 is a the result of a collaborative effort between ATi's Mobile and Desktop graphics teams.  As such, it shares all of the features of its desktop counterpart, the X800,  it has 8-Pixel pipelines and 4-Vertex pipes (Desktop X800's have 12 or 16-pixel pipelines).  Other than that though, there are virtually no differences between the X800 and Mobility Radeon 9800 architectures.  
 
 
The Mobility Radeon 9800  is an X800 core GPU with eight pixel and four vertex pipes
 
 

Message Edited by frogalex on 03-20-2005 10:57 PM

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 21st, 2005 01:00

Oh and Tom's has been proven wrong more than once in the past and has had to reprint updated reviews.

frogalex

35 Posts

March 21st, 2005 01:00

and check this out
Notebookforums.com's anouncement on unlock 9800 mobility(X800AGP mobility) 's extra  piplines !!! :smileyvery-happy:
 
 
"Here is what we know:

1.The MR 9800 and X800 are based off the same R420 core that the desktops posess. The pictures and research have proved this.

2. There are 16 pipes in the mobile GPU. Half are locked on the MR9800.

3. The Mobile versions are clocked significantly lower (350/300 and 400/400) making the use of a desktop bios impossible due to heat constraints.

4. Everyone has been able to run their MR9800 at the Mobile X800 speeds and higher with virtually no heat increase. Stays well within the safe range. I can clock to 459/420 and still remain stable.

5. The MR X800 is PCI-E and the MR 9800 is AGP. The GPU has both capabilies built in.

Here is what we need:

1. a Mobility Radeon X800 bios.

2. To know if we need to perform the hardware modification on the chip (jumping the connectors and which ones.)

3. A good flash tool.
 
 
whackamac, Notebookforums.com"
 

jankerson

2.8K Posts

March 21st, 2005 01:00


@frogalex wrote:
dunt change the point
they are based on the same x800  R420 tech
not as u said it's based on the 9800 R350 tech
and nomatter how many piplines they cut
it is still a X800 AGP ~
even desktop the 8,12,16 pipline X800 are all called X800
becaused they are all based on the same R420 Tech not the R350 tech
they are not totally diff VPUs as u said  ~


The desktop X800's are the X800 SE,X800, XL, Pro, XT and XTPE.

Only the SE has 8 pixel pipelines.

Now when they chopped all the Piplelines from the X800 GPU (Lazor cut mind you) and locked out other features too it stopped being an X800, no matter what GPU it was based on to start with. They Crippled it so in fact it's not a R420 anymore, it would have been better if they would have gone with the R350 as it would have been faster.

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