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June 11th, 2012 08:00

Tape loader 124T LTO-3 SCSI + Symantec Backup Exec 11d

Hello,

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/capacity_sample.png

I have problem that cannot use full capacity of tapes by some reason. As you see on the screenshot backup exec writes about 250-300 GB to LTO-3 drive and than takes second tape.

Compression on/off doesn't make any difference. Data - compressed video and mp3. Symantec Backup Exec version 11d Service Pack 5 (fully patched).

Driver used:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/driver_used.png

 

How can I troubleshoot this problem?

thanks

Regards,

Vadim 

 

System
Autoloader:

PV-124T

S/N:*******

Cust S/N: ****

Drive: LTO-3
S/N:1210234769
Service
Tag:
DQP02C1
Autoloader
Status: Idle
Version: V63.0
(003F.0h)
Left
Magazine:
Present
Right
Magazine:
Present
Barcode
Scanner:
Enabled
Drive
Status: Idle
Empty
Tape
Alerts:
Flags[1-64]:0000000200000000
TA[31]-HardwareB

Version: 85P8
SCSI ID:

6

 

Hard Queue:

Hardware Error
Type (48)
2010-Aug-13
13:34:08.717    #000

Hardware Error
Type (48)
2010-Oct-02
08:23:28.991    #001

Position Error
Type (A3)
2011-May-10
08:30:35.747    #002

System Error
Type (AE)
2011-Dec-08
16:40:08.830    #003

Jammed Tape
Type (DF)  
2011-Dec-22
19:59:34.604    #004

System Error
Type (AE)
2012-Jan-03
09:56:30.933    #005

POST Fail
Type (30)
POC:00045
POH:00000:00:10 #006

System Error
Type (31)
POC:00045
POH:00000:00:21 #007

System Error
Type (31)
POC:00045
POH:00000:00:21 #008












































**** Tape Alert Queue ****

Block 0, 017/017 entries @  26 bytes each, wrap @ 000, erase @ 001
0000: PC: 00043 POH: 00000:07:08 Label:[] Flags:0020000000000000
0001: PC: 00043 POH: 00003:56:56 Label:[] Flags:2800000002000000
0002: PC: 00043 POH: 00004:05:43 Label:[] Flags:2800000002000000
0003: PC: 00043 POH: 00004:10:05 Label:[] Flags:0020000002000000
0004: PC: 00043 POH: 00004:20:52 Label:[] Flags:2800000002000000
0005: PC: 00043 POH: 00004:44:15 Label:[BG1195S] Flags:0000000002000400
0006: PC: 00043 POH: 00004:48:45 Label:[BG1195S] Flags:2800000002000400
0007: PC: 00044 POH: 00000:10:12 Label:[] Flags:0000000000000400
0008: 2012-Jan-18, 13:39:52.823, Label:[] Flags:0020000000000000
0009: 2012-Feb-14, 17:24:18.868, Label:[] Flags:0020000000000000
0010: PC: 00050 POH: 00020:57:04 Label:[] Flags:0020000000000000
0011: PC: 00050 POH: 00081:44:46 Label:[000061L3] Flags:0000000200000000
0012: PC: 00050 POH: 00218:06:50 Label:[] Flags:0020000200000000
0013: 2012-May-18, 15:29:09.901, Label:[000150L3] Flags:0000000200000000
0014: 2012-May-22, 14:40:41.874, Label:[000157L3] Flags:0000000200000000
0015: 2012-May-30, 05:42:14.825, Label:[] Flags:0020000000000000
0016: 2012-May-30, 11:45:34.985, Label:[000140L3] Flags:0000000200000000

**** Tape Alert Flags currently set on the Drive ****

	"HardwareB" (31) set
	  Description =	Hardware fault not related to a read/write operation
	  Class =	Media
	  Serverity =	Unknown
	  Action =	Unknown

**** Tape Alerts associated with Cartridges located in the library ****

000016L3 is located in slot 1, no Tape Alerts logged.
000091L3 is located in slot 2, no Tape Alerts logged.
A tape with no label is located in slot 6, no Tape Alerts logged.
000148L3 is located in slot 9, no Tape Alerts logged.
000149L3 is located in slot 10, no Tape Alerts logged.
000143L3 is located in slot 12, no Tape Alerts logged.

685 Posts

June 11th, 2012 10:00

Kessij,

From what it looks like I would say you are having a driver issue. What I would recommend to start with would be to go into Backup Exec and run tape inst. Here is a link that has some info how to do that if you need it.

www.symantec.com/.../index

Let me know how that goes and if there is anything else I can do for you.

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June 13th, 2012 02:00

Hello Kenny,

Thanks for helping me!

I unistalled and installed symantec drivers according to the link you sent. Of course I rebooted server.

Here are results:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/tape1.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/tape2.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/tape3.png

 

Regards,

Vadim

685 Posts

June 13th, 2012 10:00

From looking more into the logs I do see the firmware on the library and on the LTO-3 tape drive. I would recommend starting with the drive firmware and then the library firmware as they both have some advances in the compression side of things. Let me know how that goes.

Drive Firmware:

www.dell.com/.../DriverDetails

124T Firmware:

www.dell.com/.../DriverFileFormats

7 Posts

June 15th, 2012 05:00

Hi Kenny,

Bad results (

Firmware upgrade for drive and loader:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/driver_firmware.png

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/tape_loader_firmware.png

Test with compression:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/compression_on_after_firmware_upgrade.png

Test without compression (same data!) :

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/compression_off_after_firmware_upgrade.png

Of course I rebooted after firmware update and reinstalled symantec drivers.

I have opened similar thread on symantec forum:

www-secure.symantec.com/.../backup-exec-11d-doesnt-use-full-tape-capacity-tape-library-dell-124t-lto-3-ibm-scsi

There was advise to use IBM tools for initializing tapes. I googled for such stuff but found only ITDT diagnostic, but this one have something:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/itdt1.png

not sure what I can do there without breaking something.

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June 15th, 2012 16:00

Hello Kessij,

Here is a link to download our diagnostics.

www.dell.com/.../DriverFileFormats

In the download there is the ITDT software to test the drive.  After you install ITDT you can run a compression test on any scratch media ( blank) & it will test to confirm that the drive is operating as it should.  You can also run a full backup as well to ensure that it is using the full capacity.  When running the test need to make sure that you stop all Backup Exec services so that LTDT will see & be able to communicate with the drive.

Let us know if you have any other questions.

7 Posts

June 18th, 2012 10:00

Hello guys,

I haven't managed to run Dell ITDT soft (assume because of 64bit machine/java), but since I had installed the same or even newer IBM ITDT test tool, I think it's fine. So here are results.

Full Write tests:

With compression, 64k blocks:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/ibm_test_with_compression.png

Without compression, 64 blocks:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/ibm_test_without_compression.png

Am I right saying that only 331175MB have been written to 370GB tape (LTO3)? I don't know how interpret results without compression.

Simple test:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/performace_failed.png

Only performance is failed, but I cannot say it's very low. It just depends on media. 2000MB/s is usual speed for this device/tape.

I cannot use tape util options, because for every option it asks to "open device". Removable storage service is stopped and disabled..

but when I choose open device it returns:

Opening Device...

Open Device FAILED

Errno: 1 Incorrect function

When I try to open library, it shows:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scanning SCSI Bus ...

#0 \\.\scsi2: - [ULTRIUM-TD3]-[93GM] S/N:1210234769 H2-B0-T6-L0

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Opening Device...

Open Device FAILED

Errno: 170 The requested resource is in use

I tried with inserted tape in tape drive and with not inserted tape (left in library magazine).

system test if failing, probably because of tape loader. The same error either when I run it with tape in the drive or in the loader.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/system_test_idtd.png

Can you please help interpret full write test?

Do you see something suspicious?

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7.7K Posts

June 19th, 2012 12:00

Hello Kessij,

In regards to your full write test that was done it was able to compress some data so we can say that the drive is able to do compression.  I wanted to know how old your media is that you are using?  Also the files that were created during the standard test if you can send me those files that would be great.  The files are normal located under the user account that you installed ITDT (C:\Users\samuel_l\.itdt-xe\output).  The files that I need are 1210234769.blz, 1210234769.a.gz, & 1210234769.b.gz.  I will also send you an email so you can just reply back to that with the log files.

7 Posts

June 20th, 2012 05:00

Hello Sam,

here is link to logs: dl.dropbox.com/.../output.rar and also sent it to you by email.

Does creation dates related to tapes age?

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10624899/Pictures/tapes2.png

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7.7K Posts

June 20th, 2012 10:00

Hello Vadim,

So I reviewed the logs that you sent and there are a couple of issues that need to be resolved.  First is that the cleaning media that is in the unit is really old as it was manufactured on 02-08-2007.  The cleaning media has only had 17 uses but due to its age I don’t feel that it is cleaning the drive effetely as it should.  Cleaning media is only good for about 35-50 uses or 2-3years from date of manufacture.  Second is that on a deeper look into your drive I see that you have an issue with one of the write heads as it is clogged with debris.  With having a clogged head can cause you not to not be able to use all the tracks on the media & that could be why you are not able to get full use of 400GB with compression turned off.

What I would recommend is if you have a newer cleaning media I would try to clean the drive 3 times to see if the debris will come off.  also as for your media the creation date that is listed is for when the media was seen for the first time by Backup Exec.  It is not a good an exact date but it helps in narrowing how the media is.  Based on the 2 pieces that you provided the stats on: barcode#000091L3 is right at the point that it need to be pulled from regular rotation & moved to more of an archive rotation (example: once a month backup).  Barcode# 000016L3 needs to be archived as it is past the 3yr mark of active rotation.  Here is a link to our LTO hand book & on page 26 it explains about how long media is good for in an active rotation.  support.dell.com/.../LTO_MH.pdf

Please let me know if have any other questions.

7 Posts

June 20th, 2012 11:00

Hi Sam,

i'm really impressed! I will purchase new cleaning tape, make cleaning and report back. But you very helped resolving this issue, this is first progress since the beginning! Many thanks!

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7.7K Posts

June 20th, 2012 12:00

Vadim,

not a problem that is what we are here to do is to assist customer with there issues.  i will wait for your response to see if the cleaning resolved your issue.

7 Posts

June 25th, 2012 12:00

Hi Sam,

I cleaned this device many times, did long erase to the same tapes (didn't managed to get customer give me new tapes for test) and at least one tape overlapped the limit and even showed some compression! Very good result and sign I think!

thanks again!

Regards,

Vadim

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June 26th, 2012 09:00

Vadim,

Glad to hear that it looks like we resolved your issue.  if you have any other issues in the future please feel free to contact us & we will be glad to assist you.

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