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May 27th, 2015 16:00

9150 Memory Upgrade - Question's Again

Good Day to Everyone,

I have 2, Dimension 9150's that are getting upgrades. The first machine went well with OS WIN 7/ 32 PRO. Bios upgraded (A07), installed software required, no issues, all hardware no issues. RAID driver install also, no issues. Problem I am having is memory upgrade's. Will get machine 2 updated, but not until this issue is resolved.

Been reviewing old post's about memory and still did not find a absolute remedy to my issue. Machine 1 (and 2) are 2 GB; 4 512 PC2-4200 (all slots showing on bios config).  I installed 4; 1GB PC2-5300. Problem ? Should not be as system accepts maximum 4GB and also is at max accepted speed. 

My problem is 2 GB in slot 1-2 (white) are good, no issues (boots to windows no error beeps). Bios check and find that memory sticks are reading correct. When I add the other 2 sticks 3-4 (black), error beeps on boot and showing lights 1-3 lights telling me memory error. 

I recently updated a dimension 4700 and used non dell memory from Komputer Bay. Was able to see all modules and showed 3.76, so I purchased the same memory for this machine. I know in the past Dell machines are "FINICKY" when it comes to memory.

Is this the case ? If so, Crucial memory was discussed and could I just add 2 (2GB each) ? This is what I was not able to see answers for. Some of the post said yes , crucial memory only. The other yes was I could use 2GB sticks. Spec's note 1 GB is max per stick, per slot.

I am at a loss, so looking for some insight on a direction.

  • speedstep

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    Posted May 29th, 2015 05:00

    Yes Low density 2 Rank INTEL chipset compatible ram works fine. The other way to say it is that Precsion 380 non ecc ram works fine.   The GX620 has the same issue where more ram will be seen by the bios but total ram is limited to 4 gigs due to the chipset.  Upgrading to a precision 380 allows a full 8 gigs of ram.

    You could put 4 x 2 gig in and it would even show in the bios but the ram would not be useable and the machine will not boot with 64 bit OS.  

  • speedstep

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    Posted May 28th, 2015 05:00

    The XPS 400 and Precision 380 are basically the same.
    However most people get in trouble trying to use Joes Crab shack el cheapo ram which is High Density and therefore it does not ever work.

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=dell+precision+380&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

     

    The other difference is the 945 vs 955X chipset.   So contrary to FUD and myth Dell did not do this INTEL did.  Buying the Right 380 on ebay will also Yield a copy of windows 7 and a hard drive, Ram and other parts that are less than the cost of the windows 7 alone.

    http://ark.intel.com/products/27720/Intel-82945G-Memory-Controller

    http://ark.intel.com/products/27727/Intel-82955X-Memory-Controller

     

    http://www.memorystock.com/memory/DellPrecisionWorkstation380.html

     

    To clarify 2 Gig modules will work but you will not get more than 4 gigs due to the 945 chipset limitation.   The good news is that you can upgrade to a precision 380 and use all the parts from your XPS 400 in it.  They are very cheap on ebay.

    ALSO Bios upgrades are usually Required for newer cpus and newer ram aka 2 gig modules. You will want to get a Pentium D 900 Series and the copper heatpipe heatsink.  That way you can upgrade all the way to windows 10 64 bit.

    You can put up to 8 gigs in using low density NON ECC, NON Buffered, NON Registered  DDR2  256Meg x 64  2 Rank Ram. And the BIOS will see it but you wont get 8 gigs of useable ram due to chipset limitations.

    4 GB with 32-bit Operating System and 8 GB with 64-bit Operating System after upgrade to Precision 380.  The Optiplex 620 has this same dilemma. The fix being upgrading to Precision 380 or Optiplex 745,755, 760, 780 instead.

    If you are going over 4 I would highly recommend getting all ram from the same vendor.

    The ram is installed in PAIRS 1 3 2 4 not 1 2 3 4.

    Ram should be installed highest capacity to lowest capacity.

    The ejector ears have a color variation to show you which dimm goes to which pair.

    More than 3.5 gigs is not possible with 32 bit CPU.

    DDR2 PC2-5300 • CL=5 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR2-667 • 1.8V • 128Meg x 64

    http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/xps-400/CT474084#productDetails

    XPS 400 and the precision 380 are basically the same.

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=pentium%20d%20915

     

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-380-390-T3400-XPS-400-CPU-Cool-Copper-Processor-Heatsink-Shroud-X9694-/131310107549

     




    I have seen inexpensive Pentium D's on Ebay and Amazon

    SL9QQ seems to be the max for a 5150

    Intel Cpu Pentium D 945 3.4Ghz Fsb800Mhz 2Mbx2 Lga775 Dual Core Tray

    Intel - P-D 3.4GHz/4M/800 Dual Core CPU SL9QQ 

    6 used from $12.00

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    Posted May 28th, 2015 14:00

    SPEED STEP THANK YOU !

    I did not have access to 380's. I was aware of some limitations with both of these units. Knowing of WIN10 in the very near future, with that knowledge of end of service life with WIN7 these machines should get plenty of service life. I have already updated the processor to a 950 and improvement has been seen. The problem is memory.

    I am going to try different memory modules to see if that fixes my issues. Previous Dell machines that were in service purchased the RAM from Dell directly with NO problems. This was the first from Amazon. Will use either Crucial or from suggestion Memory Stock. In your past purchase history which of these two have you used the most and best service (purchase and performance) with ?

    Thanks Again, look forward to further comments.

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    Posted May 28th, 2015 14:00

    So I can understand, you mentioned that 2GB x2  modules will work.  Is this correct ?

  • rdunnill

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    Posted May 28th, 2015 21:00

    I am at a loss, so looking for some insight on a direction.

    I installed a matched pair of ADATA PC6400 in a 5150 (similar) with excellent results.

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    Posted June 16th, 2015 07:00

    Update for this post,

    Crucial memory was the trick. I have had issues iwth some non off brands but on the last Dell I built, there was none. Installed 4, 1GB 5300 sticks and was seeing 4 GB RAM.

    I also in the middle of all of his I  updated processors for both machines. I updated all the way to 3.5 and found significant performance increase (6.3). I see that both of these units will go al the way to 2020 with out a issue. 

    Thanks for the suggestions from everyone.