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April 23rd, 2014 06:00

Skyrim - Using integrated graphics

My Dell has an integrated Intel card and a dedicated Radeon. For high end 3D games, such as Skyrim, I would obviously prefer to use the AMD however the game is auto detecting the integrated card. I have tried everything. I have searched all the ini files and can find no reference to intel or AMD or display or anything. I have manually, disabled the intel card in device manager, but then the game comes up with intel basic rendering graphics I have been in to the bios to try and set the primary display adapter to the AMD but I can not find this anywhere in the bios (which has very very few options) I have also used the AMD control panel to set the game to run using maximum performance but it still uses the intel card. Any advice would be much appreciated, Thanks Matthew
  • ejn63

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 06:00

    You cannot set the AMD GPU as primary - it is not connected directly to the screen.  Only the Intel GPU is directly connected - the AMD GPU is NOT a dedicated GPU.  It is a video coprocessor - all video data passes through the Intel GPU on its way to the screen, even if it has been processed by the AMD GPU.

    If you've selected the AMD GPU for the game using the catalyst control center, that's all that is necessary. No matter where you look under Windows,  you will always see the Intel GPU  as active.  This is a software-controlled system - not hardware controlled.

  • fulwider8

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 08:00

    Not sure if you Graphics is like Mine? I have 7730m with hd4000.

    The HD4000 is apart of the cpu, not connected to the monitor. On Mine I am finding that there are allot of programs that are not compatible with the software. Windows 7 and amd Control Panel "what ever version You Have". There is really no work around. Not YET!!!!

    Did you use any program to detect if the amd card is not running when playing?

    What version of AMD Control Panel do you have? A Upgraded Version, will sometime allow a different program become compatible.

    What Operating System are you Running? I have also found there are allot more programs compatible with Windows 7 and Not in Windows 8?

    The Switchable Graphics on a Dell is the Most confusing System I have ever used.

    The AMD Card is Dedicated, but Dell and AMD us a software to switch between high performance and lower performance for the cards. They Do this using software from AMD. There is a AMD Chips.

    On other Laptops"some Dell, mostly other Brands"-They have a Option to configure the card in Bios-Fixed or Dynamic. Dell's Bios does not offer this feature. One of the Major Flaws of there dedicated AMD Card...Hoping someday they fix or rewrite the Bios. But intill than we have to figure out what is compatible and what is not..

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 09:00

    I went threw the windows 8 headache last week-before I just got mad and threw my 7 back on it. Windows 7 does not have the monitoring option, but more programs are compatible. What I noticed when I was using 8-That even if it said it was running in high performance-It wasn't. 

    I found allot of programs like this-->>>Makes No sense<<<<.....

    If you read my post on this...you can see how many issues I had before--I took a breather--counted backward from 100...and just figured it out.

    I used speccy and Hardware Monitor to check the graphics...Hardware Monitor still sees it as a HD 4000-But with temp.--I wrote how to check it in one of my post.

    I have my fingers crossed Dell will hear my cry's and give us the bios options..Yea Right!!!!

    Back to your game,

    I was reading in other post about this game and switchable graphics...

    one option was to enable the launcher and the EXE file manually..Let me know if you do not know how to do this?

    Second option was just to put the Control panel Options, to all High Performance...Not just one program at a time.--don't remember the setting in Windows 8?

    Another option, if your running 8, is to run the Game in Windows 7 Compatibility Mode...

    All the post I read, did not specify if they where running 8 or 7? But it is possible according to what I read..

    Hope this helps

  • fulwider8

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 10:00

    Still not hear to argue, But I would love to know where you got this info? I am always here to learn and figure out how I can create a better user experience.

    Also, if this is the truth, "not saying your wrong" than I should return the dell for false advertising. When I purchased, it did not say nowhere I was getting a HD 4000...It said a dedicated 7730m.

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    Back to the person wih the issues

    Did you have a chance to try any of the options I suggested?

  • fulwider8

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 10:00

    I don't mean to argue. But it is possible. Please look up the Hd 7730M and the processor.

    The HD 7730 is calling the switchable graphics as a option or is capable,

    The HD7730 while it is not removable, it is solder on the board. The HD4000 is integrated on the cpu.

    I have 2 laptop...Both Same specs, on the dell, there is no option for this in Bios. It would be a simple rewrite. 

    But this is another discussion,"there no option for this No matter" On a Dell.

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 11:00

    Glad you got it working...I also read that because of the software, skyrim will sometimes still show the HD card running and not the AMD. But users that were able to figure it out-Noticed huge improvements on the game like you.

    I have and amd card----not a Nvidia....Would like to see something about my laptop and AMD"still Not Here to argue-Just get the truth

    Did I get duped? No matter the Pricing...I paid for a dedicated HD7730M.--I DID NOT BUY HYBRID

    http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15r-se-7520/pd

    Do you work for DELL? How did you find the info based on my Laptop? I could not find anything like this anywhere? I figured this would be the answer from somebody that builds or configures these laptop?

    Your answers really make me question why I paid so much for this?

    I got the one with the 1080p screen...msata...1tb drive...8gb ram....Blue-ray drive..Windows 7, with windows 8 upgrade.

    No matter, I own this now and I would love if you could point me in the direction of the correct info-AMD

    or an Official answer. I have posted on this for a week...and I hope what you say,is not correct. "not arguing-Just hoping you are wrong" If You are correct-It might be time to give dell a call and ask what my option are? I purchased this system, so my kids could game...NOT like a gammer, but something they could do both, surfing an gaming.

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 15:00

    Man you have a shape tongue,,,I told you I do not want an argument.

    You are wrong till you can prove otherwise. People here-DO NOT NEED YOU TO TELL THEM THEY HAVE A <ADMIN NOTE: Substitute character removed as per TOU> COMPUTER.---But it seems you have nothing better to do--

    - I think you must be a dell employee. Looking back at all of the post you respond to, you are very wise to prices, parts...and what needs to be done next. Something a dell employee would know if they where either a dell tech, or service.

    Your Friends here all have DELL in the name.

    I know that this is <ADMIN NOTE: Substitute character removed as per TOU> ....You have no proof and nothing you can say will steer me in any other direction. YOU DID NOT LOOK AT THE LINK I SENT YOU....

    When you purchase this laptop, the DEDICATED GRAPHICS. is a main part of the system....ABLE TO RUN THE 1080P....ABLE TO RUN THE BLUERAY.

    instead of trying to get people to purchase better system, you should try and help them figure out there problems.

    IT IS POSSIBLE TO WRITE A BIOS TO RUN SWITCHABLE GRAPHICS.....FIXED AND DYNAMIC...I DO NOT HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOU I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A NVIDIA...I DID NOT PURCHASE A HYBRID SYSTEM....HYBRID WAS IN NO PART OF THE INVOICE----HYBRID IS A DELL AND NVIDIA(NOT AMD)

    SO GLAD DELL HAS EMPLOYEES LIKE YOU...

    I will call dell as soon as I get home.....

    You get what you paid for.....what the does that mean....I paid over a grand for this thing...

    Not all of us have super deep pockets like you...and when a product says it has a card like the HD 7730m...2gb ram.....dedicated....you get happy you can afford it....

    I was happy to give my kids a great system....but according to you I cheaped out...You crazy!!!!

    please leave me alone---I would not benefit from any of your answers

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 19:00

    I was told by dell, if this was software based, it would take a simple program to force the system to use the graphics card. Claiming AMD is the issue....

    The Dedicated Graphics....High end to mid level, would perform fully on any program in windows 7 and windows 8....>>By AMD<<<. Try using 13.12 Catalyst, till your provider creates a bios capable of Fixed and Dynamic. This catalyst as been know to fix allot of the issues, dell does not provide support for.

    Say what you want, But Laptops are not my cup of tea. Been build other machines for a good 30 years. I do my research...The only issues I saw when people purchased....Issues with the graphics, not being advertised as switchable. I have owned switchable graphics,and I have never had this many issues...

    Same chip , GCN (Graphics Core Next) architecture. But there was a setting in the performance area of the bios. Same chipset....

    My axe to grind is with dell and it support for this laptop. Not you...But your claims are  not validated? 

    I just want to know where is your proof, this is NOT A Dedicated Video Card."No its not a card"..."No it doesn't fit into any pci slot" Its the same chip as all the rest of them, just soldered to the motherboard"...

    There computers out in the market with the CPU solder to the motherboard....Don't make them software only to use????

    All I get out of your answers....a bunch of big computer words, that are irrelevant to anything I am debating...Might fool the normal consumer....But like i said, been around these for a little...

    I7 3612qm

    http://ark.intel.com/products/67356/intel-core-i7-3612qm-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3_10-ghz-rpga

    HD 4000 intergrated

    HD 7730M

    http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7730M.72678.0.html

    AMD Dedicated----(is capable of automatic Graphics switching-Not only capable)--you should read what amd has to say about this chip...They call this a High End to mid card...

    Lost the link...

    My laptop and it specs

    http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15r-se-7520/pd

    where does it say HD 4000 and switchable graphics....I've read it backward and forwards and I am not seeing it?

    The reason these claims turn into personal attacks....No matter what you say..no matter how much research anybody put into these. They did pay top dollar for an advertised discrete graphics card.Every single owner feels ripped off, when you claim they get what they paid for...Not all of us have money like you....You go purchase your 3000$ system....

    Just because you probably own a haswell based system, does not give you the right to cut down anybody systems, or steer them in the wrong directions. Don't answer something you have only read about. How did your dell 15r se work?....Bet you have only owned nvidia.

    That's the agitation people feel when you cut down there system....

    Thanks for your Opinion , but I really do not think this will get us nowhere....I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU HAVE SAID SO FAR.........

    ???COME ON ???SOFTWARE BASED ONLY>>>>>I am sure if this was the case, we would see hacks out there for this already.

    Thanks for all your wonderful time and trouble, Still left with No answers...Just frustrations...I AGAIN REPEAT---I DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE....

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    the original poster is happy....he found out that using Compatibility in Windows 8 help....That game is probably compatible with 7 and Not 8....Still waiting on Dell to come out with a bios that allows us to use switchable graphics, more efficient..

    Dynamic & Fix"amd"-----Hybrid would be Nvidia.....

    Good luck with your PC, and if you need anymore help, feel free to email aside from a post.

     

     

     

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    Posted April 23rd, 2014 20:00

    This is my last response.....

    Reading all of your links---Tells anybody absolutely nothing...I read them upside down, inside out...and all around...nada-zip nothing....

    I had no idea You was basing your answer on discussions, you read....I can find discussion that counter your claims...all day long????

    You know this and I know this. That's the way the net rolls...

    I want to see documentation....not somebody's idea of why it will not work, or anything that has to do with Nvidia, hybrid....were discussing different chips here????Right???? HM77 and a I7 with a HD 4000...

    The chipset decides, what is displayed on the screen...

    here is documentation, that say otherwise...this says your wrong...this claims this is a dedicated chip

    http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7730M.72678.0.html

    Amd will tell you the same...."just called"

    You believe what you want to believe, and I will believe what I want to believe...

    Good Luck to you, I feel like this is going round and round and round.....But thanks for the debate...

  • fulwider8

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    Posted April 24th, 2014 10:00

    basic computer......

    http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/mobile-chipset-hm77.html

    Bios talks to the chipset...chipset talk to the cpu....Bios right now is telling the chipset to use the CPU's integrated graphics first, the dedicated graphics next.....

    Chipset directs Traffic...Bios tell the chipset, what traffic it need to direct...

    the chipset decided what goes to the screen and which graphics to use going to the screen...

    What I need...or how you put it---"wish I had".....

    Bios to tell the chipset to (not use) the integrated graphics/on the cpu, and use one of its PCi lanes first" (My HD 7730m is running on one of the x16)Dedicated graphics...

    The Bios can tell the computer to use the dedicated graphics only.........Turn off the HD 4000

    I have called everybody I needed to call to validate my claim....

    But feel free to explain how the above pertain to my system...I still do not see anything about the HM77 the I7 and the HD 7730M, 

    I understand the software aspect---But you know as well as I know, if this was software....We both would have already figured out a bypass...to force the pc to use the dedicated graphics on everything.....

    The producer of the AMD HD 7730m.....is calling this chip----Dedicated..

    The Producer of the HM77 chipset says, it can tell the cpu to not use the integrated HD4000, and use the Dedicated Graphics first......."hd 4000 will disappear in windows">>

    But the bios need to tell the chipset how to direct the traffic.

    Maybe were both talking about 2 totally different things? But feel free to explain...