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2 Dell PC questions regarding Vista

Question 1: I have a Dell Dimension 2350 with Windows XP HE, with a P4 CPU, 768MB RAM, Intel Integrate Video card, 60GB HD(total)and other basic PC hardware. What should I do: get Vista's RC1 version or ((the real finalized version around Aug, 2007(to make sure some bugs are gone))? Should I buy a new HD when Vista is officially out, and just install it on it as a secondary OS to my Win XP desktop? If this is the case with a 2nd HD, will my files and programs be seen by both OS'es?

Question 2: I have a Dell Inspiron 600m with Windows XP Pro, with a Pentium M CPU, 384MB RAM, ATI Radeon 9000 graphics card, and a 30GB HD. I want to buy the Vista RC1 version from Microsoft and install it on my laptop to use now, since it will be a good way for me to test out Vista before I put it on my desktop or buy a new PC completely. Will my ATI Radeon 9000 graphics card allow me to use the Aero feature in Vista? If not, can I upgrade that? Will my 768MB of RAM work good with Vista?

*What is better to do, do a clean install once Vista is officially released or just buy the upgrade DVD? My friend told me that since Vista uses a different kernel than XP, it is best to do a clean install on my desktop if I decide to put it on my desktop to use officially. Whats everyone's take on these?

Sorry for all the questions. But, XP is my first OS since this is my first PC. Thanks.

Message Edited by terryjohnson16 on 09-27-2006 09:56 PM

Message Edited by terryjohnson16 on 09-28-2006 02:42 PM

  • SR45

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    Posted September 28th, 2006 09:00

    Just my simple opinion for your entry level system.  Don't even bother with Vista, and stay with XP, and when SP-3 comes out next year for windows xp, install it.  The only Vista you can get is Vista Basic, with your integrated video chip, and that's a waste of money on any aging system.  I'm not going to bother getting Vista on my older system either, which will accept the better Vista Premium.   Save for another system, with Vista on it.
     
     
    Dim 4400
    2.6 Ghz 400 FSB
    1 Gb 2100 DDR memory
    Windows XP Home
    17 inch 1703 FP monitor
    XFX 7800 GS O/C AGP ( 91.47 driver )
    16x DVD-R
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    Posted September 28th, 2006 17:00

    Microsoft's upgrade advisor show that my PC can run Vista Ultimate, but I need a better graphics card, and I need a DVD-Drive which I am about to get. My Desktop can hold a max of 1GB. I will put like 1GB on my laptop and install the Vista RC1 version to test drive it before I spend mad money on a desktop with Vista included.
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    Posted September 28th, 2006 18:00

    I do have a P4 CPU that is on 2.2GHz speed. Plus my HD is at 60GB. I am gonna get a new Graphics card. I have 768MB RAM presently. My machine can only go up to 1GB.
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    Posted September 28th, 2006 18:00

    Ultimate on an entry level system...  Do not think it will work well.  No PCI slot card ( Old technology ) will give you the Ultimate path.   :smileywink:  good luck.  Lots of money for Ultimate.  
     
    " The processor must be of high speed, which should be higher than 2 GHz. The Hard disk capacity required to be of high capacity of at least 40 GB. The RAM required hoped to be at least 512 MB, but 2 gb has been mentioned for best results. Another requirement is a high Graphics card with at least 256 MB RAM, which supports Direct X 9."
     
    Dim 4400
    2.6 Ghz 400 FSB
    1 Gb 2100 DDR memory
    Windows XP Home
    17 inch 1703 FP monitor
    XFX 7800 GS O/C AGP ( 91.47 driver )
    16x DVD-R
    410 watt ( PcPower&Cooling )
    PC-Cillon Internet Security

    Message Edited by SR45 on 09-28-2006 03:39 PM

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    Posted September 28th, 2006 19:00

    Let us clue you in on Microsofts Operating Systems and what the requirements are.  Not too long ago, Mr Gates stated that Windows XP would work with 64 mb of systems ram, but working and working well is another story.  Just because the advisor states your system will work with this Ultimate Vista, does not mean it will work well.  You are talking about an entry level, basic computer, not a high end system.  You are talking big bucks for the Ultimate Vista OS, and a PCI video card, and perhaps more memory. Lots to think about the worth for all that, not to mention what are you going to get out of this.... 
     
    I do not have the link, but other sites have shown that those with an entry level system should just stay away from Vista all together until another purchase.  Again, lots of money for more memory, Vista Ultimate, and a  video card, and for what  ?  Save for another system, and you will thank yourself for it later.
     
     

    Pricing for full retail versions of the software will be Windows Vista Ultimate, $399; Windows Vista Business, $299; Windows Vista Home Premium, $239; and Windows Vista Home Basic, $199.

    Dim 4400
    2.6 Ghz 400 FSB
    1 Gb 2100 DDR memory
    Windows XP Home
    17 inch 1703 FP monitor
    XFX 7800 GS O/C AGP ( 91.47 driver )
    16x DVD-R
    410 watt ( PcPower&Cooling )
    PC-Cillon Internet Security

    Message Edited by SR45 on 09-28-2006 04:09 PM

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    Posted September 29th, 2006 00:00

    Let me jump in here.  I have Vista ultimate running on this machine:
     
    Dimension 8300 with Windows XP Pro (SP2) & Vista RC1 (Build 5728) -Intel P4 3.0 Ghz-1024mb PC2100 RAM - Disk 0: 80Gb Maxtor HDD (7200 RPM) - Disk 1: 80Gb HDD (7200 RPM) Samsung DVD 16x IDE -Sony DRU-510A DVD-/DVD+ DVDRW - Dell 18" Ultra Sharp Flat Panel - nVidia GeForce 5200 AGP 8x(128mb RAM) -Hauppauge Win350 TV Tuner/PVR - D-Link Gigabit NIC
    I am presently running Build 5728 (the upgraded version of RC1) and it runs just fine.  I get a rating from Vista that my experience is 2.0 out of a possible 5.0.  Some of that is bunk but what I am really missing are the Graphics even with that card listed above.  The basic Ultimate install with Office 2007 Beta takes just shy of 10 gigs.  You want Vista for the glamour and glitz of the visual features so you do need a new Video card and I read yesterday that ATI had been given the first approval or whatver they call it to be certified "Vista ready"  (see article at www.msfn.org)
     
    RAM, that's an easy one.  No less that 1 gig, period.  I keep saying this, the real winners from Vista outside Microsoft will be memory and video card manufacturers.
     
    Download the RC1 build and install it and see what the hoopla is all about.  Beta 1 & 2 were a waste of time for me but I can now see me running RC1 until the RTM version is available.  The only device that is not working for me is a Sound Card from SB but the onboard sound card was recognized.
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    Posted September 30th, 2006 12:00

    You definitely need one gig of memory. I don't know that I would complain, considering by the time vista ships most mainstream systems over 800 dollars will probably have more than that. Many 1000 dollar systems are already shipping with 2 gigs. Memory is pretty cheap.

    As far as needing a 2 ghz processor, that depends. If you have a CoreDuo, it can most definitely be less than 2 ghz. My 2300, 1.6 runs much faster than pretty much any P4 system. But you do need a good video card.

    But, get the added memory and the better video card and try it. If you are comfortable with your system being trashed, and you know you can completely restore your old system easily, you are set to go. I don't mean this to sound facetious. I suspect many of the people on this forum who are using Vista can repartition and reinstall their XP system with no loss of data in a couple of hours.
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    Posted October 1st, 2006 04:00

    ***You ask good questions, but there are so many uncertainties, given your systems, etc., that it would take a book to cover the possibilities. I have taken a stab below at providing you with some decent, but incomplete, answers to provide you with some though food. You need to go to the Vista site and read every word on the site. Then, you'll have a better ability to frame your questions.***

    "Question 1: ....

    ***You should be able to dual boot assuming .... But, Vista 5728, generally speaking, is very stable in the role of a primary drive. Regardless, you may not be able to upgrade from any Vista beta to any final version. And, your machine may not run Vista well enough for you to be satisfied. Given these observations, personally, I'd buy a second drive at this point--one that would be suitable for using a final version of Vista as your primary drive (i.e., Why make an XP drive your primary drive assuming Vista runs OK on your machine?). I would intall 5728 on this drive just to see how it runs on your machine. From there, you should be able to make good decisions once the final Vista product is released and more is known about it.***

    Question 2: ....

    ***Check out what I think is pertinent for a machine to run Ultimate well ignoring Aero Glass. As mentioned above, Glass really has little to do with Vista.***

    Question 3: (not labeled) ....

    ***Personally, I make an image of the laptop drive on an external, for example. Then, I'd upgrade from XP if that option is available to you. Doing so will provide you with good insights into how to get Vista running well on your machine. Then, if you don't like the way things are going, you will be able to do a clean install or unintall incompatible programs, etc., before doing a second upgrade.***

    Message Edited by Znod on 10-01-2006 12:45 AM

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    Message Edited by Znod on 10-01-2006 12:48 AM

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    Posted October 1st, 2006 04:00

    You have ask good questions, but there are so many uncertainties, given your systems, that it would take a book to cover the possibilities. I have taken a stab below at providing you with some decent, but incomplete answers to provide you with some though food. You need to go to the Vista site and read every word on the site. Then, you'll have a better ability to frame your questions.

    "Question 1: ....

    You should be able to dual boot assuming .... But, Vista 5728, generally speaking, is very stable in the role of a primary drive. Regardless, you may not be able to upgrade from any Vista beta to any final version. And, your machine may not run Vista well enough for you to be satisfied. Given these observations, personally, I'd buy a second drive at this point--one that would be suitable for using a final version of Vista as your primary drive (i.e., Why make an XP drive your primary drive assuming Vista runs OK on your machine?). I would intall 5728 on this drive just to see how it runs on your machine. From there, you should be able to make good decisions once the final Vista product is released and more is known about it.

    Question 2: ....

    Check out what I think is pertinent for a machine to run Ultimate well ignoring Aero Glass. As mentioned above, Glass really has little to do with Vista.

    Question 3: .... What is better to do, ...?

    Personally, I'd make an image of the laptop drive on an external, for example. Then, I'd upgrade from XP if that option is available to you. Doing so will provide you with good insights into how to get Vista running well on your machine. Then, if you don't like the way things are going, you will be able to do a clean install or unintall incompatible programs, etc., before doing a second upgrade.
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    Posted October 1st, 2006 04:00

    I downloaded a Vista Pack and it makes my PC looks Vista. It even shows Microsoft Vista when the PC is loading up, instead of saying Windows XP. Plus the transparency features are nice since I don't have a graphics card that can do that. I have the integrated Intel version on the motherboard. It even put the Vista icons and settings on my PC. Of course I did a system restore point just in case.