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Aurora R11, System Freeze
Occasionally my R11 freezes. This usually happens when it has been inactive for a few minutes and I move the mouse to click on a window to activate it.
I have had my R11 since September 15th and have been applying Windows updates regularly. Here is the status of the updates:
Feature update to Windows 10, version 20H2 (installed on 11/4/2020)
Quality updates – 2021-03 with the last KB (4023057) installed on 4/12/21
The power settings on the system are configured to never turn anything off.
When the problem first occurred, it appeared to be caused by moving the mouse after a period of no activity (usually just a few minutes). I thought that maybe the Mouse Without Borders software I was using to allow me to use one mouse and keyboard for multiple machines was the problem, so I stopped using the software and uninstalled it. Things were fine for a couple of weeks then the system froze again.
The next several times the freeze occurred it was always when I was click on the Chrome window to activate it, so I stopped using Chrome (switched to Edge). Again, things were fine for a couple of weeks then the system froze again.
This time I used the Dell tools to check for any system updates including BIOS and installed everything that was available including the BIOS. The last time the freeze occurred I was using BIOS version 1.0.4 and now have upgraded to version 1.0.5.
I also started shutting down all the running applications each night.
Again, things were fine for a couple of weeks.
Tonight, the system froze when I tried to start Excel. This is the first time the system has frozen at a time other than just clicking on an already running application window.
Each time my R11 has frozen the only way to get things working again is to turn the system off using the power switch and then unplug the system and wait for the Ethernet adapter to stop blinking. Once that has happened, I plug the system back in, wait a minute or so and then press the power button on the front of the case. So far, this method has always worked to get things started again.
Each time the system has frozen I have checked the event log for errors and do not see anything at the time of the freeze other than the unexpected shutdown when I press the button to power off the system.
When the system is frozen, I can still click on things, but nothing happens. If I try to restart or shutdown the system allows me to select those functions, but nothing happens. After a couple of minutes, I am no longer able to do anything.
I did see the solution about turning off hardware acceleration off in the options for Firefox. I did that some time ago, but it appears not to have made any difference.
Any idea, thanks for your help.


Vanadiel
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April 24th, 2021 12:00
Without any indication in the event log of something gone wrong besides an unexpected shutdown, that usually means the issue is not software/windows related.
A quick point I would like to make is not to flash a bios on your system until it has been returned to a proper working state. You could end up locking it up in the middle of the flash process, and that would not be a good thing to have happening.
I am leaning more towards a hardware issue, because you said you had to unplug the system and wait for the ethernet adaptor to stop blinking.
It could possible be a USB issue, because some USB ports stay powered up even after a regular shutdown, to charge mobile devices. I have experienced this myself, where a device charging caused the USB port to get overloaded and lock the pc up.
A few things you could try:
- Unplug the ethernet cord and see if the computer still locks up after some time.
- Unplug all USB devices except keyboard and mouse, and see if the issue still happens. I had this happen some years ago to one of my systems, were a USB device was locking up the PC and it would not restart unless I did what you did.
- Run the R11 hardware diagnostics: hardware diagnostics
Forgot to add there's another thing you could try: Your power supply should have an LED light that should be lit up green. You can check when it locks up to see if it is green. I also think there's a small test button next to the LED, that you can press to perform a self test on the power supply. That should also return a green LED light.
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April 24th, 2021 13:00
Thanks for the response.
The green light next to power cord is on now. I don't know if it was on the last time the freeze occurred. I make sure to note the status of the light the next time a freeze occurs.
Given that the freezes are somewhat far apart (usually 1 to 2 weeks) some of the other suggestions will be difficult. I don't really want to run the system with just a WIFI connection for that long as it is way to slow on WIFI.
I will try to unplug some of the USB devices and see what happens. Currently the list of USB devices includes one hard drive, one solid state drive, one label printer (DYMO 450) and a USB hub with 2 memory sticks and connectors for my iPhone and iPad. Again, given the fairly long period of time between freezes this will take some time as I'd like to unplug just one or two devices at a time.
I will also run the full set of hardware diagnostics. I did previously run the short version of tests and nothing was found.
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April 24th, 2021 14:00
I would start with USB devices first, as that will affect usability of the system the least.
These kind of issues are the toughest to fix, because of the time period between occurrences.
Do keep us informed on the status, and hopefully in a few weeks you have narrowed down the issue.
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April 24th, 2021 21:00
Each time the system has frozen I have checked the event log for errors and do not see anything at the time of the freeze other than the unexpected shutdown when I press the button to power off the system.
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Easier to see in Windows Reliability Report. Look for critical (red) entries.
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April 24th, 2021 21:00
Without any indication in the event log of something gone wrong besides an unexpected shutdown, that usually means the issue is not software/windows related.
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True. Well used to point to bad hardware or power, right?
Well, lately ... I've seen bad Nvidia drivers cause it. Just a theory, but I thought it might be because the system has the on-board Intel GPU that stays active .
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April 25th, 2021 05:00
I checked the Reliability Report and the only critical events that show up the last 2 times the freeze occurred are the unexpected shutdowns when I turned the system off to get it restarted. One of these occurred on 4/14 and second one on 4/23.
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April 25th, 2021 05:00
I believe the drivers for GeForse RTX 2080 Ti in my system are now current. They were not at the time of the last freeze.
The current driver version date is 1/21/21 and the version is 27.21.14.6137.
The RTX2080 is the only display adapter that shows up in device manager on my system.
Is there a way turn off the on-board Intel GPU?
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April 25th, 2021 08:00
1. I believe the drivers for GeForce RTX 2080 Ti in my system are now current. They were not at the time of the last freeze.
2. The current driver version date is 1/21/21 and the version is 27.21.14.6137.
3. The RTX2080 is the only display adapter that shows up in device manager on my system.
4. Is there a way turn off the on-board Intel GPU?
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1. OK, good. However, the latest driver is not always the most stable one.
2. Yes, keep notes. What driver, when did it crash, what was running, etc.
3. Then it sounds like your version of Intel main-processor DOES NOT have a baby integrated GPU. You would see it there.
4. You can disable in Device Manager, but it's not recommended, AFAIK.
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April 25th, 2021 10:00
If you do suspect it could be related to an issue with Nvidia drivers, you could give the Nvidia studio drivers a try.
These will not be up to date on the latest game profiles etc... but they have been extensively tested against various applications and they are all about stability and reliability, and less about cutting edge support. You might end up with less gaming support, but you can be ensured driver stability.
You can download them directly form Nvidia: Nvidia studio drivers
Please note these do not support RTX 3000 series. Only 2000 series and below. Since you have a 2080 you should be good. Yes, these are the latest studio drivers.
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April 25th, 2021 11:00
Also something else you could try: R11 freezing
It seems other users have reported great success with it.
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April 25th, 2021 12:00
Yes, it is always good in situations like this to only do 1 thing at a time. Otherwise you might introduce issues.
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