Aurora R4, motherboard upgrade, CPU? #3

@Catpsyche   The very latest info on Intel's 400 Series . . .

I am not sure what you will be using your computer for that an i9-9900K would be 'insufficient'. That is one fantastic processor.

If you wait until 1Q 2020, you will see the announcements for the 'next big thing', to be released in 3Q 2020. Do you wait . . . again?

The Corsair H80i V2 AIO Cooler is 154mm x 123mm x 49mm thick, and an excellent choice for AIO cooling with dual 120mm push-pull fans.

@Catpsyche :

About a month ago I pretty much was planning on upgrading to the new i9-90009900KS 300 Series (not just the K, and definitely Not the KF) by possibly Cyber Monday.  

Sorry, but don't have high hopes on a special binned top range processor still unreleased to go on sale for Cyber Monday. It will be a miracle to see one at MSRP by then if obtainable. And even if you have that processor, I don't suggest putting it in this toaster oven casing. You're going to need CM500 and above class of casings where 140mm case fans are a minimum. 16 threads at 5GHz is no joke.

Now Enter - All the new info being presented about Intel's new 400 Series line-up, that are Not compatible with the 300 Series Motherboard(s).  All the newest 400 Series Motherboards that have not even been released to view yet, but what are released are all of the set stats.  And, what I am waiting for now are actual Benchmarks, like how "hotter running or cooler running" these newer 400's are in comparison to their 300's, because COOLER IS BETTER!  Yet, we already know that they are running at lesser power and wattage with higher rates of Everything good across the board.

Let's disambiguate that 400 Series first. As with CPU generations, we need to shift platforms and the 400 Series is the new platform that 10th Gen CPUs will be running on. The biggest chip to change on the platform other than the CPU would be the PCH (or the South Bridge to us pre-millennials). Now, as @Anonymous mentioned, that 9900K is gonna last you a looonngg way. To give you a perspective, I still have a 5xxx CPU and my dad is still using a 3xxx CPU without much issue. However, the concern would be the platform level innovations. We're talking about future PCIe/ NVMe/ network/ peripherals/ DDR technologies that will no doubt provide a different level of experience compared to today's platform. Throw in the mix distruptor technology with 5G and AI being the 2 bad boys in the room and I understand your concern. The sad truth is that the industry is in as much tossing and turning as you are in your mind about the direction, proliferation, implementation of these technologies so your guess is as good as mine.

Sooooo, is the first 3 to 4 months of 2020 worth waiting to see how big the leap forward in tech will be, or is all this newer tech just a lot more talk, more hype, and really a little numbers game compared to actual performance?  Is all of this simply like comparing actual oranges to one specific oranges to one another, when what is being talked about is specific types of oranges and just slight variations of one another?  Or like talking visual TV concepts like OLED, LED, 4k, UHD, etc.?  I dunno?!?!  What I do know is that I've been reading a lot about how quickly we are moving from 14nm++, 14mn+++, and to 10nm, and that Intel is already working towards 7nm, and/ or rumors of even 5nm now.  Cores and Thread Counts from 8/16 to 10/20, and this is just in the tip of the latest technologies.  I think I need more to compare these numbers to... Btw, I also already know about many things Reyzen and AMD.  However, those are completely different operating systems then the one I am speaking about, which my system is Not compatible with since just upgrading to my Geforce GPU.  It's an either/ or situation in the PC world, and I'm definitely already invested into the Intel line of tech. Just keeping to these lines of facts.  

Just to throw in another thought-nugget: Having been a hardware designer all my working life, right in the crosshair of those nodes you mentioned, yours, mine, and everyone's experience with that little box sitting on the desk and the screen boils down to the software and the user interface. So don't worry so much about the nanometers. We can talk thread counts until we turn blue and go over pros and cons of thread level parallelism over many bottles of wine but at the end of the day, the software developer determines our fate.

Also noteworthy, Google Stadia, once Google Stream in Beta that was very successful, will stream games, along with many other game streaming serves to come.  IF they succeed in winning game titles over, and IF they then win Gamers over, then the importance of system requirements/ hardware in our computers could be less irrelevant, and quite possibly go obsolete.  Of course, The Catch is that you pay around a $15 monthly fee.  So, there's all that to consider as well to newer tech, gaming, and hardware vs. streaming services.

I'm excited about Stadia too. Hoping to see good things from it.

The tech industry wants to get us one way or the other!... Now Enter - Linux.  LOL  All of these proprietary decisions!!!... Thoughts on any of this, please.(?)

It's Moore's Law and been putting food on my dinner table every single day since I started working. Technology is always about progress. The rate of obsolesce has slowed down considerably since the early 2000s. It is your choice to wait it out but like @Anonymous has mentioned, the next shiny new thing is just another announcement away.

@Catpsyche :

About a month ago I pretty much was planning on upgrading to the new i9-90009900KS 300 Series (not just the K, and definitely Not the KF) by possibly Cyber Monday.  

Sorry, but don't have high hopes on a special binned top range processor still unreleased to go on sale for Cyber Monday. It will be a miracle to see one at MSRP by then if obtainable. And even if you have that processor, I don't suggest putting it in this toaster oven casing. You're going to need CM500 and above class of casings where 140mm case fans are a minimum. 16 threads at 5GHz is no joke.

Heads up. Looks like the i9-9900KS is going to be a short production run. It will likely be gone before regular shoppers can get their hands on one at a reasonable price. Please refer to attached link for more information.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-special-edition-core-i9-9900ks-dollar513-launch-october-30-price-specifications-performance

@GTS81    I don't suggest putting it in this toaster oven casing. You're going to need CM500 and above class of casings where 140mm case fans are a minimum. 16 threads at 5GHz is no joke.

Interesting that the commenters in the link made a similar point; what AIO liquid coolers can handle 127 watts TDP?

@Anonymous :

@GTS81    I don't suggest putting it in this toaster oven casing. You're going to need CM500 and above class of casings where 140mm case fans are a minimum. 16 threads at 5GHz is no joke.

Interesting that the commenters in the link made a similar point; what AIO liquid coolers can handle 127 watts TDP?

At least Corsair H150i @ 360mm or a 240mm with 4x fans I think.

Sharing a perspective: I have just completed my "AIO sandwich" using the stock Dell AIO + 2x Corsair ML120 Pro in push-pull. Set fan curve to run 600 RPM at 27C idle and 1800 RPM full load. During full load, Prime95 exercises FFT that hammers FMA logic on my i5-9600K which is rated 95W TDP. The drawn power comes just a little below 150W and my heat soaked AIO loop is at 84C. Lower front intake is Noctua AF12x15 running at 1200 RPM through another radiator that is stone cold as GPU is idle.

Additional useless data point: TIM is Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut applied using pea-method after cleaning both heat spreader and pump surfaces with alcohol wipes.

Aaanndd... It's sold out on the Egg shop.

@Anonymous and I moved the discussion about the cooling solution for this 127W TDP processor to my thread. Sorry!

moving this discussion from the Aurora R4 thread

@GTS81    I don't suggest putting it in this toaster oven casing. You're going to need CM500 and above class of casings where 140mm case fans are a minimum. 16 threads at 5GHz is no joke.

Interesting that the commenters in the link made a similar point; what AIO liquid coolers can handle 127 watts TDP?

At least Corsair H150i @ 360mm or a 240mm with 4x fans I think.

A more direct answer: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900ks-special-edition-review/2

Corsair H115i cooler OR

A custom watercooling loop with an EKWB Supremacy Evo waterblock paired with two 360mm radiators

Even the H115i was bottlenecking the setup. Custom loop with 2x 360mm rads. Or external tower. Sounds like a great space heater given that a polar vortex is coming down the middle of the lower 48.

@GTS81 Thanks for All the input.  I have been listening, and giving Kudos!  I've also been reading Everything out there on the i9-9900KS, with the one exception, and that is that NO ONE is addressing cooling options out there for it to any degree!!!  Lots of benchmarks, tests, comparisons, and All Agree that Intel is The Best For Gaming, where AMD is Best For Rendering.  None are really talking about The Elephant In The Room, which is the literal HEAT via WATTS &/ or All the best AIO Coolers to handle it?!

I'm seriously rethinking All my plans at this point, when it comes to the KS!  1.) Limited production on the i9-9900KS.  The only one online available right now is currently on Amazon for $100 over suggested retail ($513 + $100 = $613).  2.) They will be in very limited supply and possibly sold out by the end of year.  3.) HAVE WE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH HEAT THAT THING WILL GIVE OFF?!  LOL  On top of all of that, 4.) Intel CPU's alone are on a major scale upwards in the next few years.  The heating with power will go to even greater heights as well, so they will need to have better ways of cooling those chips as well.  There are also new a whole new set of motherboards for which Intel's new chips will need to be released for those still also.  A complete chain reaction effect happens again.  And then lastly, 5.) I'm Not really hurting or in dire need of a new CPU at this very moment!  The new graphic card I got a couple months back has largely put me back in the game, quite literally!  Sure, I'm still running with an old i7-3820 CPU (4 cores & 8 logical processors), 3.60GHz (Turbo 3.80 GHz), 10MB SmartCache.  I don't have heating issues for my current CPU, or need for a new motherboard for my current CPU, or a new AIO, and/ or to upgrade the RAM that cascades that chain reaction effect.  I'm on the tipping scale of becoming obsolete, but I ain't out yet!!!

I am going to hold off from closing out this discussion, and/ or saying I absolutely won't upgrade at this point.  I think this has been a very interesting and learning curve experience for me, hopefully others, and I really appreciate all the thoughts and communications put into it!  

Let's see what goes on with this Intel thing...  I know that the other thing(s) that hasn't come to fruition either for me, my plans for using the Asus Rog Maximus XI Gene, they STILL have ZERO supplies A YEAR LATER for the Double Capacity 32GB RAM DDR4 by G.Skill & Zadak Exclusively!  Not really encouraging.  There were work arounds for that, but IF they don't even have the base clearly accessible then it can be a very moot point and/ or plan to go that route as well.

These companies need to get their crap together.  I'm going to continue to build on strong foundations, and I'm Not building Sand Castles!!!

Hello Catpsyche, I was searching how to upgrade my Aurora R4 and found your post.

When I read your initial demand, I wonder if it was one of my ancient post. But your english is quite superior

I would like to know if you succeed on upgrade your R4 and if it is difficult to deal with the AW center with a new motherboard.

Also what are the components you bought ?