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January 9th, 2009 16:00

Studio 1537 graphics corruption with various Intel GMA 4500MHD drivers

Resolved:  Intel admits flaw in Graphics Memory Controller Hub (see item 10 on page 14 of http://www.intel.org/Assets/PDF/specupdate/320123.pdf).
Workaround:  Have same size memory in both slots (upgrade from 3GB to 4GB total), or only one memory slot used (downgrade from 3GB to 2GB), or disable Intel Virtualization Technology (VT-d) which some models of computer have BIOS setting for, and others require a BIOS update to accomplish.  Dell has been providing BIOS updates for some notebook models, and memory upgrades for others.  This defect affects many brands and models of computers with the Intel GM45/GS45 Express Chipset.

Also see updates at end of this post

Please, I want to know if other Studio 1537's with integrated Intel GMA 4500MHD graphics exhibit the problem mine does -- is this a software/driver problem or do I have a hardware malfunction.  I describe below a test you can do on your Studio 1537.

My month old Studio 1537 experiences intermittent but frequent graphics corruption while using Direct3D graphics when using any of four video/graphic Intel GMA driver updates that are newer than the original driver that came with the computer.  The "Performance Information and Tools" control panel also shows a significant drop in measured performance with the newer drivers.  Dell Tech Support tells me they don't know of any such problem with the video drivers supplied on Dell Downloads.  At first, I thought it may be related to other changes or additions I had made with the system, but have since tried a fresh install of Vista Premium SP1 on an external eSATA drive (so that I wouldn't have to do a PC-Restore as Dell Tech Support wanted me to do) followed by the careful installation of necessary drivers in the sequence specified by Dell Article ID 296410.  After installing any of the newer graphics driver packages, the problem still occurs. 

So far, I know of two ways to see the problem with standard applications supplied with Windows Vista Premium SP1:  1)  Photo Screen Saver in Collage theme (which uses Direct3D), 2)  game Purple Place  In fact, running both at the same time seems to increase probability of seeing corruption.  For Photo Screen Saver, right-click on desktop - Personalize - Screen Saver - select Photos from drop-down list - enter Settings - select theme Collage, slide show speed Fast - Save.  Click Preview to test.  To make test more rigorous, click Start - Games - Purple Place - start playing game - while game is running, click Screen Saver Setting in taskbar and click Preview.  On my system, the photos often have an intermittent corruption that shows small portions of the photos mislocated in a fine checkerboard pattern similar to an address line/bit malfunction.  Some photos will sometimes flicker back and forth between clean and corrupt rapidly on my system.  The Purple Place game also often shows corruption with graphic elements intermittently corrupt with pixels mislocated.  These symptoms really look like a hardware malfunction, but when the machine is running with the original driver the fault doesn't happen.  Are the newer drivers using the hardware in a different way that is exposing a hardware fault, or are all of the newer drivers faulty?  If a few people can help by confirming whether they do or don't experience this problem, then I can conclude whether I have a unique hardware fault or not.  If I'm not the only one with the problem, then Dell and Intel need to know about it.

To find your current graphics driver version, do Control Panel - Device Manager - Display Adapters - double-click Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family (if yours isn't this then your system doesn't apply) - Driver tab - examine Driver Version.  My original, works-okay-version is 7.15.10.1508 dated 6/20/2008 and provides a Windows Graphics Performance Information measurement of 3.8.  Two versions I tried that came from Dell Downloads, one ending in 1545 (titled GM45 Video in Dell Downloads, and providing a 3.4 graphics performance score), and one ending in 1576 (titled Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD, and providing a 3.4 graphics performance score), both exhibit the malfunction.  I tried two newer yet versions from Intel downloads for the Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family (which the GM45 in the Studio 1537 is a member of the family), one is a Nov '08 release with version number ending in 1591 (providing 3.4 Graphics score), and the other is a Dec '08 release with version ending in 1608 (provides a low 3.1 Graphics score).  Both of these exhibit the graphics corruption malfunction, too.  If I uninstall the new driver (using the Programs and Features control panel), reboot, and reinstall the old original driver, the problem goes away.  It seems very strange that the Windows Graphics Performance Information measurement is going down with the newer drivers.  Does your machine exhibit this opposite of usual driver update behavior?

I will really appreciate any input, opinion, advice I receive on this issue.  I don't want to have to ship this computer off for a Dell Depot repair or replacement if there isn't truly a hardware fault.  This Studio 1537 has already been repaired twice by BancTec in-home service in its short one month life -- first to replace an intermittent DVD drive, and second to repair damage done by the first technician.

I was supposed to ship this computer to my Sister to be received about a week before Christmas.  What a nightmare this has been.  This intermittent graphics corruption problem has been exceedingly difficult to troubleshoot and draw meaningful conclusions.

Thanks in advance,

OB Ron

UPDATE Nov 23, 09:  Problem seems to be "solved" by removing the 1GB memory stick as recommended recently in this thread and elsewhere.  Now the question is whether the problem is caused by having two sticks of RAM, or by having mismatched (2Gb & 1GB) sticks, or by a particular brand/model of memory, or by some driver or OS problem that shows up with certain amounts of memory.  I think it's a hardware problem that is aggravated by various software configurations and usage scenarios. 

If replacing the 1GB stick with a 2GB stick also solves the problem, then I agree with others who have said Dell should AT LEAST send us a 2GB memory stick free of charge.  Personally, I think that for all they've cost me and all the time wasted, they should offer some greater form of compensation, such as a full price trade-in towards any product(s) I want to buy.

I kick myself for not thinking of trying removing the 1GB memory stick ten months ago.  Since the hardware was under warranty, I let Dell do all the hardware troubleshooting.  In hindsight, though, it should have been a natural thing to try.  I didn't touch the cursed notebook for about eight months --I was just too fed up with it and Dell, plus I had a serious health problem that caused me to not want any more annoyance and aggravation during that time.  Sorry for not participating in this thread until now.  BTW, my sister has been happy with her Mac notebook that I purchased for her because of this problem.

Thanks to those who have been contributing and at least to some degree figured out a problem that Dell should have a loooong time ago.

My memory sticks are "Hynix 1GB 2Rx16 PC2-6400S-666-12, HYMP112S64CP6-S6 AB-C  0834" & "Hynix 2GB 2Rx8 PC2-6400S-666-12, HYMP125S64CP8-S6 AB  0832"

OB Ron

UPDATE Nov 26, 09:  Dell called me this morning to tell me they have found the cause of the problem, and that a fix is expected to be released on Dec 4th -- a BIOS update.  I was told that the problem may occur with the chipset used in the Studio 1537 (and other models) when the integrated graphics is used along with a 3GB memory configuration.  This news comes to me one year to the day since I purchased this computer, and more than ten months since contacting Dell Tech Support about the problem. Without the Community Forum, the many irate voices, and troubleshooting efforts by some to focus the problem on memory malfunction -- thanks to all of you -- I think Dell would have sloughed it off forever.

Dell seriously needs to examine their policies, procedures, and practices regarding unresolved technical problems, as well as their handling of dissatisfied customers.  That it took this long to give this problem the attention it deserved is shameful and disgusting.  They just quit trying to fix the problem, and wouldn't allow me to return the computer for a refund, or trade for a different model.  I started to get legal help to resolve the problem, but in February I was diagnosed with a serious medical problem.  The Studio 1537 just sat on a table, not being used, for about eight months. 

The Studio 1537 was supposed to be a Christmas present for my sister -- my selecting it, ordering it, paying for part of it, and preparing it and testing it to try to assure it would be a good computer for her.  It turned out to be a nightmare.  I put a lot of time into preparing the computer before the graphics problem was detected, including having Dell replace a defective DVD drive, and come back again to repair damage done to the computer during the first repair. The graphics defect appeared when I thought I was almost done, upon setting up a bunch of old family photos as a screen saver as part of my gift.  I wasted a tremendous amount of time trying to resolve the problem or trying to prove to Dell that it was a hardware problem.  I wasn't going to give my sister a defective computer.  I had little use for it, especially since I didn't trust its reliability.  It would have been very difficult to sell a defective computer -- so it sat.  If the BIOS fix works okay, I will probably try to sell it, but I imagine I will lose about half its purchase price.

It's no wonder why Dell's reputation has declined so much.  Dell could be a great company again, but it's going to take good leadership from the top.

OB Ron

UPDATE Dec 17, 09:  After updating to the new Intel video driver a couple of weeks ago (v15.16.1.1968 11/30/2009 from the Studio 1737 driver downloads), I reported to the Dell Tech Support manager handling my case, Inam, that the problem persists and asked when an updated BIOS would be released for the 1537 as was done for the 1737.  He called me this afternoon to tell me that Dell isn't currently planning on updating the BIOS for the 1537 because they don't have sufficient complaints to warrant it.  They seem to have more problems with the 1737 model.  Without a forthcoming BIOS update, to resolve my case, Inam offered to upgrade my memory from 3 GB to 4GB by mailing me a 2GB stick and having me return the 1GB stick to them.  Thanks Inam for taking action to conclude this nightmare -- at least for me. 

I wonder how many other people have problems, and don't know it, maybe not till they upgrade to Windows 7 or update their display driver.  If a BIOS upgrade can fix this problem, I think it would be wise of Dell to do it as soon as possible so their customer's have their computers work as expected and not have to deal with troubleshooting a strange problem.  I had two different main boards and two different sets of memory have exactly the same problem, so I don't think this is an uncommon malfunction with the 3GB memory configuration.  I think it's a poor reflection on Dell that they don't care enough about their customers to provide a known fix to the BIOS to prevent future problems and be able to have a quick answer available when a customer calls in with the problem.  I believe this 3GB memory malfunction is a serious problem that deserves a fix just based on common sense ethics.

OB Ron

UPDATE Jan 6, 10: Upgrading from 3GB to 4GB memory has solved the problem for my Studio 1537.  This appears to have worked well for many others, too. 

I did a clean install of 64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade (which I preordered in August for $50 for this purpose) on the Studio 1537 using an 80GB Windows partition and a 208GB Data partition.  Since Dell doesn't support Windows 7 on a Studio 1537, it's necessary to get various drivers and updates from the Studio 1737 Windows 7 64-bit downloads (and ignore the fact that the Studio 1537 isn't listed as compatible even though it's internally basically the same as a 1737), and/or get drivers or updates from chip manufacturer web sites (e.g. there is a recent INF Update utility and newer video/graphics driver on the Intel site for the Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family).  Note that Dell only provides drivers for the Studio 1737 for 64-bit Windows 7, not 32-bit (which with 4GB of memory, you probably don't want to use anyway).  It took some effort but the result seems to be working very well.  Be aware that some of the Dell supplied utilities with Vista aren't available for Windows 7.  One new application on the Dell Studio 1737 downloads is Sonic Solutions Roxio Burn.  It's a nice improvement over what was provided with the Studio 1737, but if you need a free DVD burning app with more capability, I recommend ImgBurn (http://www.imgburn.com/).  I haven't really used the upgraded system much because I'm selling the computer, and keeping it close to a clean fresh minimal system to make it easier to sell.  It appears, though, that the combination of 4GB memory and 64-bit Windows 7 is a major upgrade for this computer that provides a much nicer user experience and improved performance.

Dell not supporting Windows 7 upgrades on the Studio 1537 is another reason to criticize them.  The Studio 1537 seems to be an abandoned product in this respect.  I think they know that upgrading a Studio 1537 to Windows 7 will expose the graphics corruption malfunction because the driver included with Windows 7 will cause the problem for most, if not all, with 3GB of memory.

Thanks to all who have helped force a resolution to this problem.

OB Ron

November 22nd, 2009 00:00

OB Ron,

 

We are experiencing similar problems with the Studio 1737. It has to do with using Areo with Windows 7 under load and we all also have mismatched RAM 3GB or 6GB. It happens when you put it under load. Some have turned Areo off and used basic and some have taken out the 1GB RAM. Bothe seem like temporary solutions. Dell Thech Support reported this.

 

Please read THIS THREAD. We have a person from Dell Tech Support in that thread, so you may want to contribute there.

 

 

Rick

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November 23rd, 2009 15:00

To All,

Please see my Update appended to my original post.

Many thanks.  I'm grateful for the assistance from all of you.

Please report if you get Dell to step up and solve this problem to your satisfaction.

I'm going to call Dell to see what they say now that I know removing the 1GB stick appears to eliminate the problem.

OB Ron

 

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November 24th, 2009 13:00

Hi keypox,

I can't believe how long this problem has existed without a resolution from Dell.  I called Tech Support this morning.  The first level support rep I talked with seems to think that replacing the 1GB stick with a 2GB stick will solve the problem, but he couldn't tell me for sure.  He wanted me to buy a 2GB stick for about $65.  He said they can only replace a 1GB with another 1GB.  It was difficult to keep from laughing at him, but I know those first level support people have strict guidelines.  I'm now waiting to receive a call from a supervisor.  I wonder whether it will be the same person with whom I went round and round with for weeks trying to get the computer repaired back in January.  I expect the supervisor will authorize replacing the 1GB stick with a 2GB stick.  If this is the solution, and Dell won't do it without charging us, we need to make a big stink.

I hope you're having some success.

Thanks for your support,

OB Ron

Update, evening of Nov 24, 09:  I talked with a tech support supervisor.  At first he was giving me the usual run around, but after he browsed this thread he quickly decided to refer the problem to engineering.  I should expect a call from them within a week.  I hope we can all work together as a team to finally figure out an effective solution.  I wish they had referred the case to engineering back in January, but apparently it takes a lot of evidence from multiple users for them to believe there might be a general hardware reliability problem with a particular model, chipset, or configuration.

OB Ron

Update, Nov 26, 09:  Dell has a fix.  See update at end of original post.

OB Ron


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November 25th, 2009 02:00

Hi All,

***Copied the post from the other thread, so sorry if you get it twice!***

A little update, i have just bought another 2GB ram chip to replace the 1GB chip (so i now have 2 x 2GB), it not the same manufacturer but is the right spec ram. So far I'm not having any problems as yet, i will post another update later today to confirm thats its fine. If it does work then its well worth the £32 it cost and thanks for nothing Dell Support, since i have had to both find the fault and repair the machine myself! My next laptop may well not be a Dell!

Paul

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November 27th, 2009 12:00

D e l l   H a s   a   F i x

Please, see update at end of original post.

Thanks so much for all of your involvement and effort,

OB Ron

 

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November 30th, 2009 16:00

HI..

 

Just wanted to post a note to let you know Dell has posted both a new BIOS (A08) and an upgrade to the Graphics for the 4500 series.  I updated both today and my issues that I have been having with the Graphics have now gone away, at least all day today, assuming the fix worked.  I am also buying a new 2GB ram module to replace the 1GB  I have in my Studio 1737, which will give me 4GB ram going forward.

 

DAN - dfarizonaman

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December 2nd, 2009 18:00

Well with new bios, and most updated driver from INTEL. The issue persists.  With the driver from DELL the issue seems to be masked.  Tested in windows media center. 

 

Now how great is performance on a driver thats well over a year old?  I dunno but I assume it is missing some of the newer features of the newer intel drivers.  This is not a great fix for me. I still need matching sticks becasue i want to run the newest drivers!

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December 2nd, 2009 22:00

Problem is not fixed, not even close.  Loaded a HD movie and corruption is back.  I dont think any software workaround is gonna fix this.  I will take the 1GB stick back out and further test with only 1 Dimm used.

 

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December 3rd, 2009 09:00

Ok, mine has not worked for 11 months.  Dell Studio, 1537, 4500 graphics card, 3g RAM, wireless.  Cannot run several programs at the same time.  Graphics is so unstable that wind can casue the above issue.  I have spent HOURS online with Dell.  The home servie guy has been here twice. The onsite guy told me that I got a lemon.  I have never hated a computer so much!  Dell in home service replaced my motherboard twice over the past year. They have updated everything but my screen.   

My warrenty is over on 12/12/09. 

So, I went to CompUSA.  I got a 2 g card (tech there made sure it matched and they only charged me $57.00).  I watched how to install RAM on Dell site.  I pulled the 1 g & installed the new 2g.  Now they match and I have 4 g (although on my 32 bit OS I only get 3.5).  At any rate, it is like I have a new computer.... it is lightning fast! Opening web pages is like changing the TV channel, I can open big documents in every program AT THE SAME TIME.  Before the RAM upgrade, I had to close everything just to run Outlook.

Pay the 57.00 bucks, upgrade to Win7, save your expensive computer from the trash. 

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December 3rd, 2009 15:00

Good to hear, to bad we didnt know the solution months ago though.  Because ram prices have tripled in the last few months.

 

I will prob just live with the 2GB i have no issues with 2GB.  Unless dell wants to send me a new 2GB stick.

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December 7th, 2009 14:00

Any news on when the BIOS update is released? The fix has been released for the studio 1737 over a week ago but we are still waiting :(  The current 1537 bios revision is A09, I assume we are waiting for A10?

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December 7th, 2009 20:00

Status of "fix":  The new Intel video driver (v15.16.1.1968 11/30/2009 from the Studio 1737 driver downloads) without an updated BIOS does NOT fix the problem.  Nothing in the Dell or Intel (under Windows 7) release notes indicates that graphics corruption with 3GB memory is fixed.  Even the new Studio 1737 BIOS release notes say nothing about fixing it, although some users are reporting success (http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19303652.aspx).

I am waiting for an A10 version of the Studio 1537 BIOS.  I emailed the Dell Technical Support Supervisor handling my case days ago to report my findings on the video driver, and ask about when an A10 BIOS would be available.  I have not received a response.  He originally implied I could use the BIOS for the 1737, but that doesn't make sense since it is an A08 version.  Even if it's compatible, it wouldn't have the correct identification/sequence number for a 1537, and the installer may not even allow it.

The report about upgrading to Windows 7 and 4GB of memory producing excellent results is interesting.

OB Ron

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December 8th, 2009 04:00

Hmmm ok thanks! I was begginning to have hope for a while...

Yea I agree, I think 4gb of ram sounds like a likely solution :) See here

I have been living with the graphics faults for nearly a year now, but now that I want to do video editing it makes it near impossible. I am a poor student and don't really want to spend money on extra ram, just to make my laptop work like it was meant to! If Dell doesn't provide a fix, then they should at least upgrade our ram :(

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December 9th, 2009 10:00

I have contatced my sourses and the said they will contact Dell's Tech Support about the issue and see what the progress is.

 

 

I'm sure they are working on it.

 

 

Rick

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December 17th, 2009 18:00

D e l l   i s   S e n d i n g   M e   a   2GB   M e m o r y   S t i c k !

Please, see updates at end of original post for more info.

OB Ron

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