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July 1st, 2009 08:00

Studio 1737 - Enable Intel Virtualization Technology??

I'm starting to think I made a bad choice in picking this laptop - although after reviewing some of the posts... perhaps just in choosing a Dell in general for a laptop this time around.  But I'm really hoping that Dell will be supporting this model and releasing a BIOS update that is more substantial than the A06 revision - which does very little at all (and nothing feature-wise).

I purchased the Studio 17 with a C2D processor for two purposes - work and play - as far as allowing dual hard drives... it's a great fit for my needs.  However, despite the processor and chipset both supporting Intel Virtualization Technology - there is no way to enable it in the bios, and it seems to be turned off by default.  Is it possible that there is a software utility that would allow me to set this feature in BIOS - or better yet, a BIOS update that will allow this feature to be turned on and off.

My friend has a Lenovo which was about the same price which has a much more feature-rich BIOS, despite being built with virtually identical components.  I really like the styling of the Studio line, and have had great luck with Dell laptops (and desktops for that matter since I've rolled out 40 or so over the past couple years) - but I'm starting to think I made a mistake with this one.

If someone can't give me an option for a utility or BIOS revision release date, can you at least tell me which Dell laptops DO actually support Intel Virtualization??  Or more accurately, actually have the ability to turn it on - since it's already present in almost every laptop you sell currently... but not able to be used.

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July 1st, 2009 13:00

The business-oriented Latitude and Precision models have VT options - the consumer-oriented Inspiron, Studio and Vostro generally don't.

 

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July 1st, 2009 14:00

Although I could understand that to some extent - even the Precision verbage on the site does not mention VT options anywhere.  But regardless, what you're saying is that in order to have a 17" laptop with dual hard drives - I'd have to spend close to $2000 just so I'd have the option of turning on the features that are already present on my Studio 17 with the exception of a bit-switch in BIOS?!?

I could see that happening - I could also see me going with a different company on my next major infrastructure purchase.  I'll definitely not be replacing this or my other two Dell laptops with new ones.

I guess this is one of those 'buyer beware' situations that I should have heeded - oh well, I'll just use the studio as a media player I guess and go buy a Lenovo or Toshiba (even their ultra cheap Laptops have VT switches in BIOS). :(

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July 5th, 2009 23:00

I have a Dell Studio 1737 and VT is available to enable and disable in the BIOS. Just go to the Advance Tab and Intel Vitualization Technology is there. My system has BIOS version A05 tho, and latest version is A06. Not sure if they dropped it from A05 to A06. Anyone care to add if they have BIOS A06?

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July 6th, 2009 01:00

I have a Studio 1737 and I have Bios version 04 and I can enable it in the Bios.

 

What does Intel Vitualization Technology do?

 

 

Rick

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July 6th, 2009 02:00

The following links should clarify your doubts:

http://developer.intel.com/technology/virtualization/technology.htm?iid=tech_vt+tech

http://www.intel.com/technology/product/demos/vt/demo.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization

In short Intel VT, introduces commands at processor level to improve the performance of applications that use virtualization, like VMware, Vitual PC, etc...  I know this is a very very very over simplified statement but if you want to learn more the links offered above should be a good start.

Hope this Helps!!!  :emotion-2:

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July 6th, 2009 10:00

I'm running A06 - however, I have since discovered my problem - apparently the VT extensions are not included on the T6400 C2D CPU - so my error was not in the laptop selection after all... it was in the CPU that was included.  I thought I got a newer series CPU than that with the laptop when I ordered it... so now I guess I'm off to research my initial order and probably have to hand off this laptop to my wife. :)

Thanks for the input though.. it's nice to know that I can just order another one with a faster CPU or possibly swap this one out if I feel like voiding my warranty :)

 

 

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July 15th, 2009 02:00

I had bios version 04 and although I could enable virtualization in the bios, it had no effect. Using VMware under windows 7 still said there was no virtualization. After an upgrade of the BIOS the software reported that virtualization was working properly. Unfortunately since then Dell "upgraded" my BIOS again, unsuccessfully, and I now can't power the laptop up at all to check what the workign BIOS version was.

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July 16th, 2009 00:00

WOW the language controls on this site are ridiculous... my post was deleted for saying that I thought what happened to you was sad - but I used the description for what a baby does with a bottle - and it got deleted and an email sent about the language I used!  :emotion-16:

Here is my post with the "offensive" word removed:

That [is too bad] about it not being able to power on at all! As a practice I never allow anyone to update anything without my sayso - so I didn't have to worry about that aspect.

As a followup I can indeed state that as long as your CPU supports VT extensions the selection is there (I swapped CPUs with an 8400 and it now works fine). I did run into the same issue that you stated... however, when I rebooted and verified that I had indeed turned it on - I tried one more time to install Windows Virtual PC beta - and that time it worked! I didn't change anything on the system at all... the only thing I can figure out is that somehow Win7 didn't "realize" that it was turned on now. Once I did... everything went as planned.

At a guess it has to do with the fact that the CPU originally did not support VT and therefore the first boot into Win7 with the new CPU had not yet installed it in software. Once a second boot occurred the OS finally was on the same page as the hardware and could see the fact that the extentions were in fact present. From that point on it's been smooth sailing for me... sorry that has not been your experience.

October 8th, 2009 00:00

Well, I'm having a simular issue.  I love my new Studio Laptop 1737.  I installed Windows 7 Ultimate and found VT in there.  Cool, I can run Virtual PC again.  Well, I didn't have the processor to handle it so said the CPU ID utility from Intel.  So, I ordered a new CPU at the tune of $500.  OUCH.  I was also having a problem loading the A07 Bios update.  I kept getting the error that upgrade utility was causing a problem and will close.  Talked with Dell Tech support and they can't seem to figure out why.  They thought that it might be W7, so I reinstalled the original system and still can't get the bios to update.  I've seen in the post that the VT enable/disable in under the Advance Tab.  Well, not on my system.  Even the dell tech was surprised at that.  They tell me that my system is Hyper-V ready, but I can't find out why it's not anywhere to be found and why can't I update the bios.  It's late and I'm not sure this is making any sense, but if there are any ideas I would sure be interested.

Thank you for your help!

Chuck

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October 8th, 2009 07:00

Chuck,

 

The bios that came with my computer is version A04 and I can enable it on mine. I think version A05 can but not sure about A06.

 

 

Rick

October 8th, 2009 13:00

That's what I mean.  Even the DELL tech was surprised that the option wasn't available on the Advanced Tab.  It's just NOT there.  Now I don't know what to think.  I can't even upgrade my A05 to A06, A07 or even test A05.  I get a great big error telling that there is a problem with the bios upgrade program.  Like I said, the option isn't there.....  Now what do I do.  I guess I'll have to get back on to Dell Support and see what's going on.  Maybe someone can point me somewhere or something.

 

Thanks for the response!

Chuck

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October 8th, 2009 15:00

Chuck,

 

You should be able to flash the Bios with one of these Older Version of Bios for 1737. You enable the VT in the Bios. Version 04 came with my laptop around the beginning of the year.

 

 

Rick

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November 6th, 2009 09:00

If you're getting an error when trying to run the bios updater/flasher program similiar to:

Application Error Return 0x00000610
Windows Error Return 0x00000002

1. Click on start then run and type "regedit" in the box and press enter. (without the quotes)
2. Expand and Look for: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SYSTEM ->ControlSet001 -> Services
3. Delete DELLBIOS folder
4. Restart the system
5. Re-flash BIOS

 

November 13th, 2009 06:00

I currently have version 07 BIOS loaded, what is the probability of having problems of going backwards in versions, or missing some of the fixes of the newer versions of the current BIOS versions?  I would like to enable this feature on my laptop as well.  If it was enabled in version 04, why wasn't it brought forward with the other versions of the BIOS?

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November 20th, 2009 14:00

Chuck,

Forget Bios, check your CPU first - find out what model you have go here http://processorfinder.intel.com/Default.aspx?notFound=searchKey choose "notebook" , don't bother with "CPU Family", just type your CPU type (ie: T5800, P8400, T7200  etc...) then check if your CPU supports " Intel® Virtualization Technology" I have made that mistake and both my 1737 with T5800 and cannot do much with it. It will accept 64bit OS, however VMWare will not recognize this CPU as 64bit host ready. I am waiting for P8400 replacement cpu for my 1737. Once replaced I'll check vm and report.

Regards,

John

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