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August 9th, 2013 15:00
Different RAID types (tdats) in same disk group ?
Hi,
can i create different raid-type tdats in same disk group?
right now we have a disk group with 200 FC 600GB disks. 35% of this disk group is Raid-5(3+1) configuration. can i create Raid-1 on remaining 65% of this disk group ?
Appreciate your help.
Thanks
San.


sanshwe
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August 9th, 2013 17:00
Thanks for your reply. Recently we bought storage for some application and it was added to existing disk group and this application is more IO instance it need Raid-1 config.
drives # 128
Raid-1
tdats size : 67.10GB / 73291 cyl
8 hypers / disk
Total tdats: 8(hypers)*64(drives) = 512
I tried creating tdats but it gave me error, please find below.
C:\Program Files\EMC\SYMCLI\bin>symconfigure -sid ***5 -cmd "create dev count=512, size=73291, emulation=FBA, config=2-Way-Mir, attribute=DATADEV, disk_group=5;" preview
Execute a symconfigure operation for symmetrix '************' (y/ ) ? y
A Configuration Change operation is in progress. Please wait...
Establishing a configuration change session...............Established.
Processing symmetrix *****************
Performing Access checks..................................Allowed.
Checking Device Reservations..............................Allowed.
Validating configuration changes..........................Failed.
Definition 1 is in error:
Could not find disks that satisfy our mirror/RAID policy
Closing configuration change request......................Closed.
Terminating the configuration change session..............Done.
The configuration change session has failed.
Appreciate your help.
Quincy561
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August 9th, 2013 17:00
You can, but why would you?
Each pool should have 8 hypers per disk. And your mirrored pool should have an even number of hypers
Quincy561
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August 9th, 2013 21:00
There either isn't enough space, or the fault tolerance rules can't be maintained.
If you need RAID1 performance, you won't really get it from drives that also have RAID5 on them. You would be better off just making the whole pool one RAID type, IMHO.
Fenglin1
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August 11th, 2013 19:00
symdisk -sid xxx list -disk_group
Try above command to see if there is enough space in you disk_group. The error should indicate no enough space in the disk group you specified.
sanshwe
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August 11th, 2013 20:00
There is enough space in disk group
free space: 71460482 --> 68.15TB, Raid-1 gives 68.15/2=34.07TB.
I'm trying to make
tdats size : 67.10GB / 73291 cyl
8 hypers / disk.. total disks:128..raid-1 config.
Total size: 512*67.1=33.55TB
Appreciate your help.
sauravrohilla
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August 11th, 2013 20:00
there could enough space in the disk group but you may not have empty space at the right place to satisfy the raid affinity...e.g., for raid 1 device of 67 GB you should 67 gb free on two disks and these disks should not be on same da, same port etc. check this primus (sorry i dont have the primus number handy)
Issue
Error msg: 0x400037b1: Out of the disks available at this point for volume xxxx, we could not find y disks that satisfy our mirror/Raid policy.
Error msg: We could not find x disks that satisfy our mirror/Raid policy. Out of the disks available at this point for volume yyyy.
Error msg:
EMC:SYMCONFIGURE cfgLogSymmwinError cfgSwSubmit call to silsw_DoSymmWinService for SWS_CONFIG_SUBMIT_CHANGE failed with code: SWRS_INVALID_SERVICE_DATA
EMC:SYMCONFIGURE cfgSwSubmit SID 000xxxxxxxxx: config server msg: 0x400037b1: Out of the disks available at this point for volume 12B5,
we could not find 8 disks that satisfy our mirror/Raid policy.
28 affinities are qualified to this volume:
28 affinities have no space;
2 disks left which can not find affinity.
Error msg:
EMC:SYMCONFIGURE cfgLogSymmwinError cfgCongtrolSubmit call to silsw_DoSymmWinService for SWS_CONFIG_SUBMIT_CHANGE failed with code: SWRS_INVALID_SERVICE_DATA
EMC:SYMCONFIGURE cfgControlSubmit Local config server msg:
0x400037b1: Out of the disks available at this point for volume 161D, we could not find 8 disks that satisfy our mirror/Raid policy.
Error msg (SymmWin):
Distribution failed:Out of the disks available at this point for volume 6C6,
we could not find y disks that satisfy our mirror/Raid policy.
32 affinities are qualified to this volume:
32 affinities have no space;
Unable to create logical volumes through Solutions Enabler.
Symconfigure preview command fails.
Environment
Product: Symmetrix VMAX Series
Product: Symmetrix DMX-4
Product: Symmetrix DMX-3
Product: Symmetrix DMX Series
SymmWin
Enginuity: 5875
Enginuity: 5874
Enginuity: 5773
Enginuity: 5772
Enginuity: 5771
Enginuity: 5671
EMC SW: EMC ControlCenter
EMC SW: Solutions Enabler (All Versions)
EMC SW: Solutions Enabler SYMCLI Array Controls
EMC SW: Solutions Enabler SYMCLI Configuration Manager
Cause
SymmWin is unable to build the upgrade bin file that will meet the submitted request.
In detail:
Change
Online configuration change.
Online drive upgrade.
Online volume upgrade.
Resolution
Possible solutions:
Notes
Below is the output from the Disk Group command. At the bottom is the number of Hypers (Logical Volumes) on the physical disk with 512 being the maximum allowed by the Symmetrix Enginuity
Symmetrix ID : 000xxxxxxxxx
Disks Selected : 8
Disk Group : 11
Disk Group Name : DISK_GROUP_011
Technology : SATA
Speed (RPM) : 7200
Director : DF-5A
Interface : D
Target ID : D
Disk Group Number : 11
Disk Group Name : DISK_GROUP_011
Technology : SATA
Speed (RPM) : 7200
Vendor ID : SATAHGST
Product ID : 722020APCLAR2000
Product Revision : N02THJK
Serial ID : B9HJ2TNF
Disk Blocks : -617763375
Block Size : 520
Actual Disk Blocks : -617763375
Total Disk Capacity (MB) : 1823565
Free Disk Capacity (MB) : 349290
Actual Disk Capacity (MB) : 1823565
Hypers : 512
Example of a Create Volume Request:
In this example the customer was creating one volume, 12657 cylinders (decimal), FBA, Mirrored, 7 Member Meta.
In the silconfig.log for the above customer request it will show up as the following:
regards,
Saurabh
sanshwe
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August 12th, 2013 07:00
Thanks for the primus. I tried previewing by using 7 hypers/disk and it succeeded. Is it a best practice to use 7 hypers / disk? and I'll also wasting 3TB of space if i use 7 hypers.
What is your recommendation in creating tdats (size and number of hypers/disk)?
Appreciate your help.
Quincy561
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August 12th, 2013 07:00
You should try to shoot for 8 hypers per pool per disk.
However with RAID1, it is more important that the number per disk is EVEN.
It is important that each disk in the pool have the same number of TDATs, and they are roughly all the same size.
I would ask your local TA/SE/CE/FSS about your configuration. You could probably get their advise on how you should create these and any issues you might be having because of gaps.
sanshwe
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August 12th, 2013 07:00
Thank you very much Quincy56 and very one. I'll try to reach out to our SE.
Thanks once again.
rawstorage
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August 12th, 2013 07:00
sanshwe, have a look at emc180481, basically you need to have gaps in all the right places with enough space in each for the config change that you have defined, In addition there are a few extra tracks overhead for TDAT (similar to SAVE Devices) I described in this solution.
There is nothing to stop you from doing this type of config but just because you can doesn't mean you should as Quincy has already pointed out.