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i’m curious to know how many people have tried vista but have gone back to xp, i have until the driver fiasco has been sorted out, i know people are going to say give it a chance, i have, some other people will point out the obvious and say it’s a new operating system and it will have problem at first, yes i agree but no other os has had the problem that vista has, i have asked this before but never got a real answer what has vista to offer that makes it worth putting up with it's teething problems!

tommyo1954 · Answer

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/default.mspx?pill=0&WT.mc_id=?FAT121A   Might as well read up on it right from the horses mouth..... Microsoft.   Can't expect somebody to write about all of Vista's features here in the forum; it would take all day to type. Also tons of Vista info while doing a quick google search.

tommyo1954 · Answer

I have no idea, lol...   But I'm staying with my ole' workhorse Windows XP Home here because it runs beautifully for me. I don't want to get caught up in the Vista mess.   I was reading how Microsoft has reported Vista sales are down by 60%, when compared to their sales figures for the launch of Windows XP in 2001. In actuality, I think that speaks volumes.....  I'm stayin' put with XP.

seeny · Answer

could that be propaganda!, i am surprised

chetblong · Answer

Well I don't agree. Vista is the best OS yet from Microsoft, everything has changed, well not "everything", but a whole lot. Oh and it is worth the expense. If you can't afford Vista how did you afford XP? But you don't have to be up to date. Why didn't every one just stay with Windows 95 because there MIGHT be problems with Windows 98. There would be no progress with Windows if Microsoft if the people who worked there all thought that there might be a problem with the software so they shouldn't release it.

And it is ready, there may be a few compatibility issues, but Microsoft didn't just drop something out there that wasn't ready at all. I mean if they had worked out every problem in every Windows version before they released it we still be using Windows 2000.

And if you think that you can't buy it yet because they released it to early, then you can wait till the end of this year when Microsoft releases Windows Vista SP1. But to me it doesn't make sense to wait till Vista SP1 comes out, when you can be enjoying Windows Vista now.

Also I don't know where most of you people who don't trust Vista get their info from, it's like you all went to apple.com to find out about how a Microsoft OS works, or got brainwashed by those Mac vs PC FUD commercials that talk about Vista.

Message Edited by chetblong on 03-14-2007 09:43 AM

Fing · Answer

Problem for MS is it's not that much different than XP, and for most not worth the expense.

Driver and software problems are also hurting Vista. MS dropped this one on us way too early. Is still not ready.

startiger · Answer

I gave vista a chance for about a month and installed XP pro. Vista absolutely killed the performance and reliability of my XPS 410. And then there is the driver issues. Nothing worked, not even a new HP printer. (no drivers available for maybe 6 months?) When I couldn't play my own home movies burned to DVD due to the content protection built into vista, that was the last straw. (they play fine with XP) Vista is not backward compatible with XP era software. The compatibility mode doesn't work very well. Vista ran slower than a 5 year old first gen pentium 4 machine running XP. Operating systems do not get faster as they age, due to software bloat, they only get slower. To speed them up you need faster hardware. If my new machine runs slow with vista today, how slow will it be in 2 years?... 5 years? Some of you people should stop apologizing for Microsoft and demand what you paid money for, a fast reliable operating system. Microsoft had over 5 years to get vista right. After 5 years of development this thing should have been fast, reliable and should have had all the drivers written for it. Microsoft needs some competition to make them a better company or to put them out of business if they don't improve. Poor performance is what you get when one company is able to monopolize an entire market. Vista is another win ME, it will have a short lifespan. Microsoft plans to replace it with windows Vienna in 2 years. ...And I won't be in any hurry to buy that one until I see if it is any good.

chetblong · Answer

startiger wrote:

I gave vista a chance for about a month and installed XP pro. Vista absolutely killed the performance and reliability of my XPS 410. And then there is the driver issues. Nothing worked, not even a new HP printer. (no drivers available for maybe 6 months?) When I couldn't play my own home movies burned to DVD due to the content protection built into vista, that was the last straw. (they play fine with XP) Vista is not backward compatible with XP era software. The compatibility mode doesn't work very well. Vista ran slower than a 5 year old first gen pentium 4 machine running XP. Operating systems do not get faster as they age, due to software bloat, they only get slower. To speed them up you need faster hardware. If my new machine runs slow with vista today, how slow will it be in 2 years?... 5 years? Some of you people should stop apologizing for Microsoft and demand what you paid money for, a fast reliable operating system. Microsoft had over 5 years to get vista right. After 5 years of development this thing should have been fast, reliable and should have had all the drivers written for it. Microsoft needs some competition to make them a better company or to put them out of business if they don't improve. Poor performance is what you get when one company is able to monopolize an entire market. Vista is another win ME, it will have a short lifespan. Microsoft plans to replace it with windows Vienna in 2 years. ...And I won't be in any hurry to buy that one until I see if it is any good.

Windows Vienna is planned to be Windows completly starting from scratch so it will completly be different than even Vista. Vienna is coming out in 2009, before comes Windows Fiji (codename for Vista SP1).

Message Edited by chetblong on 03-15-2007 08:08 AM

Fing · Answer

@chetblong wrote:

Well I don't agree. Vista is the best OS yet from Microsoft, everything has changed, well not "everything", but a whole lot. Oh and it is worth the expense. If you can't afford Vista how did you afford XP? But you don't have to be up to date. Why didn't every one just stay with Windows 95 because there MIGHT be problems with Windows 98. There would be no progress with Windows if Microsoft if the people who worked there all thought that there might be a problem with the software so they shouldn't release it.

And it is ready, there may be a few compatibility issues, but Microsoft didn't just drop something out there that wasn't ready at all. I mean if they had worked out every problem in every Windows version before they released it we still be using Windows 2000.

And if you think that you can't buy it yet because they released it to early, then you can wait till the end of this year when Microsoft releases Windows Vista SP1. But to me it doesn't make sense to wait till Vista SP1 comes out, when you can be enjoying Windows Vista now.

Also I don't know where most of you people who don't trust Vista get their info from, it's like you all went to apple.com to find out about how a Microsoft OS works, or got brainwashed by those Mac vs PC FUD commercials that talk about Vista.

Message Edited by chetblong on 03-14-2007 09:43 AM

PC vs Mac.. Funny commercials. But had I fallen for them, I wouldn't have purchased the Dell. ;)

Oh, and I am enjoying Vista. For the most part. Still waiting on proper drivers that get the advanced features of my hardware to work correctly, but they will come.

bigbill52a · Answer

Windows Vienna is vaporware. I noticed that Microsoft announced Vienna about the time that they released Vista. The warning bells went off. I thought to myself, "self, it looks like they dont have too much confidence in Vista." Same old microsoft ploy, just wait awhile for the next greatest operating system. After seeing all the problems that many people are having with Vista, I dont think Microsoft is capable of making another great OS like XP. They have lost touch with their customers and what their customers want their computers to do. They have criminalized their customers and made them their enemy with ever harsher wga schemes that catch more innocent, legitimate customers in a hassle to call Microsoft every time they change a driver, or piece of equipment. They have to spend their productivity time activating and reactivating and re-reactivating the same piece of software.

It is a great time for ALTERNATIVE OPERATING SYSTEMS...

chetblong · Answer

bigbill52a wrote:
Windows Vienna is vaporware. I noticed that Microsoft announced Vienna about the time that they released Vista. The warning bells went off. I thought to myself, "self, it looks like they dont have too much confidence in Vista." Same old microsoft ploy, just wait awhile for the next greatest operating system. After seeing all the problems that many people are having with Vista, I dont think Microsoft is capable of making another great OS like XP. They have lost touch with their customers and what their customers want their computers to do. They have criminalized their customers and made them their enemy with ever harsher wga schemes that catch more innocent, legitimate customers in a hassle to call Microsoft every time they change a driver, or piece of equipment. They have to spend their productivity time activating and reactivating and re-reactivating the same piece of software.

It is a great time for ALTERNATIVE OPERATING SYSTEMS...

Wrong, Microsoft didn't announce the making of Vienna they only announced a name change, and even that they had already announced the year before Vista came out. And, for your info, they have been talking about and planning for Windows Blackcomb, now renamed in January 2006 to Windows Vienna, since 1999, that was even before Windows 2000.

And the newest one "Vista has so many problems it can't be as good, or better than XP" oh if that's true why then, tell me is there another service pack coming out for XP in 2008 (XP SP3)?

Everyone knows that there are bugs in any OS when it first comes out, (unless MS decided to completely test every Windows OS for years with every program) because they're still researching how to get rid of the bugs.

Also XP was the predecessor to Windows Vista, Vista is a lot better than XP. Just because you had Windows XP for so many years while Microsoft was making Vista doesn't mean you should glue yourself to XP! When you had Windows 2000, and XP came out did you just sit around and say "there can't be anything better than this old version. I'm not buying XP because they're already talking about another OS" I think not.

Also you stated that Microsoft is losing touch with its customers. Well actually this is the most user based OS from Microsoft, 5 million people downloaded Windows Vista (beta) and told what they thought needed to be improved, Microsoft listened to and did what the people wanted. Also Microsoft looked at 1 Billion user sessions with Microsoft Office (beta) and saw what the people were having trouble with, and improved Microsoft Office.

Where do you get your info from, Apple Mac?

Message Edited by chetblong on 03-14-2007 07:13 PM

chetblong · Answer

Yes I own most of Microsoft and run their PR campaign. :smileyvery-happy:   No, not really, I just follow news about Microsoft from reliable sources.   I'm interested in what problems you have expericed with your new Dell. I got mine 1 month ago and haven't expericed any serious problems.   Please list some.:smileyhappy:

bigbill52a · Answer

I talk with my customers, some of whom have new Dell Vista computers. They are senior citizens. They are very unhappy with Vista. All they want to do is send and receive email with pictures (of the grandkids), play a couple of games (games that will no longer install on Vista), browse the net (IE7.0 is terribly slow on dial up), and maybe type a letter. Their Vista machines take forever to download updates, if they download at all. They have crashes and dont know what to do about them. Simple things like burning a CD (that worked fine in XP) crashes. This is the built-in cd burner. Their email disappears. I havent met one person yet, who said that they were happy with Vista. Most of them would like me to reinstall XP for them. Would I ever install Vista on my computer...I am not a masochist..hurt me baby? Would I ever reinstall Vista on one of my customer's computers? Only after, I gave them other alternatives that would better fulfill their needs. I am so happy for you..that Vista has turned into your dream Operating System, for my customers, it is a nightmare. But in a way, I think that Vista will do a lot for the future quality of computing. Companies and Operating Systems that have been squashed by Microsoft in the past (read the files from Idaho), will now have a chance to compete, and they will find a market. After reinstalling Vista ten times (a common occurence), the eleventh will be Ubuntu, or PCLINUXOS, or some new Google concoction. I am glad that you are so passionate about Microsoft's Vista. We all need something exciting in our lives.

Fraites · Answer

I got my new Dell a couple of days ago and got all the usual Vista related problems. Contacted Dell support immediately to demand a change in OS to XP and was told that was imposible since XP is no longer available on new machines. I was decided on returning the equipment but I will be get stucked with all shipping charges and related issues!!!   I'm very dissapointed with Dell's 'Customer Care'.     I wonder. . . .How much Microsoft stock does chetblong owns:smileyvery-happy:

bigbill52a · Answer

I have a small computer business. I fix and repair computers and their operating systems. The customers that I am talking about bought brand new Dell and HP computers with Vista pre-installed. My customers are mostly senior citizens. They are experiencing problems and they are calling me for help with them. Although I have built custom computers in the past, I quit that part of my business last September. In recent weeks, I have referred new customers to Dell. Since this is a retirement area, many of them have rental and other types of small businesses, so I have been recommending that they get their computers through Dell business, since for the most part they have heard about the many problems people are having with Vista, and do not want it installed on their computers. Despite Microsoft's ad campaign, the word on the street for Vista is very negative, at least in this area. Like I said, I am glad that you have had a great experience with Vista. Strangely enough, two people with identical computers will have an altogether different experience with Vista, and people who had no problems in the beginning, suddenly find unexpected disasters.

chetblong · Answer

Well I agree with you that it could be improved and it will be, first with Windows Fiji (codename for Vista SP1) then Microsoft will completely start over again from scratch and make a totally new OS Windows Vienna and I'm sure there are a lot of bugs in Vista, but I don't like the idea of people using another OS when Vista is the most advanced yet (remember Vienna will be Windows all over again from scratch) so if people want a more bug free system they should wait till Windows Fiji comes out.

Please tell me some of the problems your customers are experiencing?

Message Edited by chetblong on 03-14-2007 09:59 PM

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