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December 12th, 2007 02:00

Vista or Windows XP

I am planning to buy a new system. Do I come back to Dell? After three Dell systems and last one was HP Note Book my heart is still with Dell.
 
Last time - I was not happy with the Dells tech support which goes all the way to India and that what made me to try something else. Currently for example - my External HD (Maxtor) my current calls went to India (Maxtor/Seagate call center). I called them twice and both the times I spoke to two different Indians and they promised me to send me an email to sort out my problems. I am still waiting for their email after some eight days. The Indians cheap labour is in high demand and as such the Indians don't care for the quality of customers service.
 
I will appreciate if you please give me your comments on:
 
(1) What is your present opinion about Dells tech support?
 
(2) Do I go for Vista or stay with Windows XP? What are the problems with Vista?
 
(3) What Dells system is good these days?
 
Thank you,
 
Kanti

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December 12th, 2007 03:00

Kanti,
I can't say anything about Dell's support now. I've had three Dells and I was very happy with the first two. The third is just a week old. Here is my new system.
 

Model                   XPS Studio 420

OS                          Windows Vista Home Premium

Processor            Intel(R) Core™ 2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40 GHz

Hard Drive           320 GB NCQ SATA (7200) W/DATABURST

Memory              3GB DDR2 SDRAM @ 667MHZ-2X1GB

Card reader        MEDIA CARD READER W/INT BLUETOOTH

Anti-virus            TRENDMICRO 14.7 PC-CILLIN

Network              WIRELESS NETWORK CARD 802.11G / WIRED NETWORK ON MOTHERBOARD

Software             MICROSOFT OFFICE SMALL BUSINESS, DIM

Sound card         SOUND BLASTER X-FI XTREME MUSIC

Internet               AT&T DSL

 

I am having a lot of problems with the Vista OS. I had been reading up on it and it seemed to be ok. I wish I had stuck with XP. I have a printer that is almost 8 years old and it works fine. I have a photosmart HP printer that won't work at all. I am have problems with programs, and some hardware programs.

This pc I have didn't give me the option of XP. I believe I could have tweaked it so I could have gotten XP.

I have read your posts in the past and you seem like a well versed pc user. So I really do think you can chose wisely.

 

As for the service aspect I have heard that Dell went back to useing tech support from the US again. I personaly don't have anything against someone from India, China, or anywhere else for that matter. I just want to be able to communicate and understand the person helping me.

 

I hope this has helped you. I also hope I have not bored you with to much chit chat.

 

unionjackbell

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December 12th, 2007 07:00

(1) Dell Support.

overall I'd give it 7/10. The 7 they do get is for being there, returning calls, fixing simple problems, and trying to solve more difficult ones. The 3 out of ten they didn't get were because of attempts to offer blatantly unacceptable solutions or to fob off the problem to Microsoft, and because a competent PC user/enthusiast probably knows more about fault finding and fixing than they do.

For support you've got phone, email and chat options, reps are (in my experience) unfailingly polite and helpful. However, there are issues of continuity of response between different representatives if you don't get a first time solution, they don't always seem to have read the original log or email about the fault (so you have to explain the problem repeatedly), and they repeatedly offer unacceptable "solutions". By this last, I mean that on having a problem with Vista's sleep mode, they repeatedly made a first suggestion of turning off the sleep mode altogether. Subsequent to that they did try and fault find, but when this wasn't working they several times suggested that it was "a Vista problem" and that I'd have to wait for a MS fix to appear. After much testing on my part I identified the Creative XFi drivers as a culprit, and further digging has resulted in an apparent fix of changing the card slot, and letting Vista allocate a new and unique IRQ. The original "lock up on sleep" problem appears to occur because the XFi driver isn't capable of sharing an IRQ with other high throughput devices (in particular the graphics card), but the default install for Vista seems to put all PCI devices on the same IRQ. Now, I think I've got it solved, but I would have hoped that Tech Support would know things like that, so that I didn't have to spend months sorting this out. But in addiiton to not suggesting this, their default suggestion of turning off power save means that they probably close other people's problems without actually recognising the true cause, and thus an otherwise resolvable fault is not added to the knowledge base.

But...I don't think you'll find that anybody else is doing support differently or better, and using HP hardware at work, I think that Dell equipment is far better, so you'd buy on price and quality, and accept the Tech Support as it is.

(2) Vista or XP. No question - Vista. Vista is a far prettier, more mature system, it is the one that all software and hardware support will be focused on going forward. It offers better security than XP, and the whole package has a lot more value add. As far as I can see most of the teething troubles that have got Vista a bad press are now sorted, and in terms of other faults (like my sleep issue) those could just as well have been on an XP system. Why invest in software that was released six years ago? I accept that you've got six years of bug fixing in the meanwhile, but you wouldn't dream of buying a single core processor running at 1.7GHz now, so why buy software of that vintage? There is a single caveat - if you wish to run any specialist software that you must have, and is not compatible with Vista, then you have no choice other than sticking with XP, or paying for new versions. Having said that, most of my apps and games predate Vista by some years, and all run without problem, it just isn't somthing you should rely on for business critical apps, or for any proprietary databases or the like.

(3) Your call, based on your needs. My suggestion: If you don't do gaming, then an Inspiron, if you do gaming, then a low end XPS with an 8800 range graphics card.

Either way go for a low end Intel Core 2 Duo processor (even the low end Core 2's will kill anything you can currently throw at them), 2Gb of RAM (anything over 3Gb won't be seen by the OS), and a modest hard disk (unless you do heavy photo , video or database work). Do splash out on a 22 inch wide panel - you'll really be pleased with that after a couple of months. Strip off anything from the default spec that you don't need - eg only buy an XFi sound card if you do gaming or use your PC for enthusiastic music purposes (the on-board sound works far better than you would expect), and delete any hardware or software from the order unless you really need it. If you have Office XP or later, you can carry that over to the Vista machine.

I've half a mind to also recommend Vista 64 bit as a means of giving your machine a longer life, but I don't have any experience of Vista 64, and chances are that you'll be looking for a new machine in four years time anyway, which is the sort of horizon that you'd be looking at mainstream apps and games coming in 64 bit flavours.

Regards,

Led

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December 12th, 2007 13:00

Regarding Vista, if you are getting a new system, get it with Vista. While XP is currently the more mature OS, Vista is the future. SP3 for XP will undoubtably be the last SP released for XP, and this for the most part, is a rollup of the 100+ updates that have been released for XP via Windows Update since SP2 was released.
 
The problem with upgrading an older XP system is that you have to make sure that drivers for all your hardware and the current software on your system will work, or have updates to make them run in Vista.
 
If you are getting a new system, then odds are that there are drivers available for all your hardware for Vista, just make sure any legacy stuff you are going to move over to your new system, have drivers available.
 
I am running Vista on 2 systems and both are new and since Microsoft has steadily released updates to address compatablity and bug fixes, as well as 3rd party drivers maturing, Vista has been a much more compelling OS than XP, for me anyway.
 
Dell XPS 720
Bios A03
Core2 processor Q6600 (2.40Ghz,1066FSB)
2048 MB DDR 800mhz
DUAL 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600GTS
Seagate 320gb 7200rpm HD
Seagate 500gb 7200rpm HD
16X DVD+RW Combo
Sound Blaster X-FI
Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit
 

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December 12th, 2007 14:00

unionjackbell, Ledswinger & slowecsl:
 
Many thanks to you all. I will be back later on. It appears that If I go for Vista then I may not be able to use my HP Phtosmart 7150. I should check with HP. There may be some problems with Vista and  with D-Link DI-624, Brother printer  colour MFC - 240c , Maxtor External HD and so on..... other programs which are only for XP may not work with Vista. So much confusion here. I have work to do now on Vista before get involved with it.
 
Kanti

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December 12th, 2007 22:00

other programs which are only for XP may not work with Vista.
Hi Kanti
When you try to install them and they do not work
try installing them using run as administrator by right clicking the ----.exe
or you may get them to work in XP SP 2 compatible mode !!
Good  Luck 

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December 16th, 2007 02:00

Our local Costco have this system (HP Pavillion a6237c) this week for cd$1059.99. I have checked the specifications of this system. Appears to be a good system.
 
I would appreciate if you could suggest me an equal Dell system which can be better then HP. The information is on the net for you to verify the details on HP a6237c.
 
Thank you,
 
Kanti
 
PS: How about Dell's tech support on this forum to suggest me a dell system which make can me not to buy HP but Dell.
 

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December 16th, 2007 07:00

Recommend you check the specs for yourself (don't hold out much hope of a Dell rep happening across your request here!), but one point I would make is that all the HP monitors and screens I've seen haven't been up to much. My work laptop and desktop monitor are HP/Compaq's, and I wouldn't tolerate the quality on my own account even if they were free. If you're buying a monitor with the computer, then Dell screens are going to be a safer bet. And make sure it's a 22 widescreen as a minimum.

Led

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December 16th, 2007 10:00

Led,
 
Thank you. I was just testing to see how much tech support is improved since Mr Dell took over back the running of dell establishment. I still remember the olden days (golden days) when you have a question raised on delltalk which was answered by tech support (Chris Boultinghouse) before anybody else come to your help.
 
Anyhow, I appreciate your comments on HPs monitors. I have one HP Notebook and the monitor is still going strong.
 
Kanti
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