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December 25th, 2018 07:00

13 R2, STILL broken after the 1.4.4 BIOS update?

Has anyone got any further with these issues and a solution yet?

I am a patient person but this has gone a bit OTT now. I grew so frustrated with my laptop that I put it away for months in a cupboard and hoped a solution would come.

I have installed the latest 1.6.1 Bios via USB method as my windows does not shut down properly so I cannot complete a Bios Update from windows 10.

I have ran the MEI diagnosis software from Dell for my laptop and I no longer have a MEI as is now Unknown and has the SV of 0.

I did like my Intel I7 Alienware R2 13 as it was great but these shut down issues and super slow boot times has all but killed the laptop. I have noticed that Dell were aware of this issue with the Bios back in Feb/March of 2018 and still they cannot fix an issue they caused.
As my Warranty ran out in April 2017 the laptop is not an issue Dell seem bothered about. I don't think they realise that UK law states products should have a reasonable life and a laptop of this expense should have a reasonable life of at least 3 years - If this was an apple product they would have announced a recall and repair/replace by now.

So has anyone got anywhere with this issue yet and come close to a Solution?

 

It would be good to know the scale of this issue in hope that Dell would react and sort this issue as a Customer service requirement.

Please list your Model if you still have Slow Boot, MEI and Shutdown / Sleep issues - only resolved by a hard shut down (power button press)

 

Alienware R2 13 Intel I7 6500U / 16gb DDR3 / 256gb SSD / GTX 960m

  • BasherWalls

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    Posted February 26th, 2021 11:00

    There was/is no Dell solution.

    only fix is to take your laptop apart and flash the bios with a programmer with a newer bios.

    any downloadable updates or downgrades will not fix the Intel ME, this can only be done using a programmer.

    Dell messed up, then brushed the entire 1.4.4 update under the rug. It never existed if you ask Dell Support.

    That’s why I now have a Hp Omen Laptop.

  • crimsom

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    Posted February 27th, 2021 03:00

    Hi @gfd2017   BasherWalls' acknowledged contribution is in Notebook Review Intel ME completely offline 


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    Posted December 27th, 2018 07:00

    So just come off the phone with Dell support Uk and I can see this is all going to be a waste of time. They will accept a return to review the laptop at a £40 cost but that is only a diagnostics check to find the fault - if the fault is a bad motherboard (caused by the 1.4.4 bios damaging the motherboard in some way) then I would then also have to pay for the repair... I understand the laptop is out of warranty but that is a joke really. I also asked the question on why they no longer have the 1.4.4 bios on the dell website for download anymore and the operator could not explain why, only that newer Bios updates superseed the older bios. But every older bios is on the dell website apart from 1.4.4 so why not the one that caused the error - unless its known to have issues... Guessing this laptop is not going to get the fix for the shutdown issues. I am going to download every bios on the dell website and run them one by one hoping that one update may restore whatever broke in the 1.4.4 update. time to start the USB downgrade fun...

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    Posted June 11th, 2019 15:00

    Hi,

    I still have the problem.   I've had a brief Tweet conversation with Umar K at Alienware (@aw_umar) although nothing has happened since (that was right at the beginning of this year 2019.)

    What I have found out is that, rushed out with the 'Urgent' BIOS 1.4.4 was a corrupted patch for the Intel security vulnerabilities.   The corrupted patch messed up the Intel ME firmware making it unusable.  Dell/Alienware via the community EIMY contact were apparently onto it although had difficulty locating example systems that had the problem - I did offer mine - but then issued updated firmware 1.6.1 apparently to fix the problem with rather odd instructions to install it twice.  Of course this never worked because the system would never shut down.   I tried using a USB drive as advised by the EIMY contact and that worked for the 1.6.1 BIOS but did not address the Intel ME corruption.  Note that, once they'd originally realized the mess, they quickly replaced BIOS 1.4.4 with... a different version of 1.4.4... actually the same BIOS but without the corrupted Intel ME firmware but that didn't help anyone where they'd already applied the Urgent BIOS update.

    There is a thread that's easy to find where others have figured out how to flash the Intel ME firmware but the instructions were too complicated and, I felt, too much of a risk.  

    I have relayed this to Dell/Alienware and they're yet to come up with a solution.  The Dell/Alienware support were next to useless on this and my latest contact with them showed that they are denying that there's a problem (that Dell/Alienware caused) and, like you, say that I can pay to have my system checked but would have to pay for repairs including a new motherboard if that's the solution.

    Let's hope that they come up with a solution soon.  I've looked elsewhere for laptops etc. for my family and work which is a shame because I've bought high end Dells and Alienware since 2006 but I cannot advise anyone based on this experience.

  • gfd2017

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    Posted February 26th, 2021 01:00

    Did this get fixed? Physical bios chip update fix the problem??? I have both a 17 r3 and 15 r3 with both shut down issue/ usb ports no longer work after broken Intel me bios update

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    Posted February 26th, 2021 02:00

    Hi @gfd2017  seemingly this problem is shared by three systems, and discussed in:- 

    Article Number: 000143114
    Alienware 17 R3, 15 R2 and 13 R2 
    BIOS Update Fails or Stops During Update Process. 
    BIOS update will disable the USB ports during the BIOS update to avoid errors.

    Do either of your systems show any signs of life?  POST starts to check hardware and gives diagnostic beeps, hold down F2 will enter BIOS window, hold down F12 will enter Boot Menu, Recovery window appears after more than three attempts to boot, etc. 

    Please give forum users a clue, that your system shows some signs of life. Thank you. 


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  • crimsom

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    Posted February 26th, 2021 10:00

    Hi @BasherWalls  thank you for sharing update. 

    This problem was widely published on the internet, and is still available. Came across Notebook Review BIOS update (1.4.4) messed up my laptop which might be the article to which you refer? 


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  • crimsom

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    Posted February 26th, 2021 10:00

    Hi @BasherWalls  @DGzip 

    Evidently there is a Dell Alienware BIOS version (Solved). This problem was acknowledged in Dell 17 R3, new BIOS update issue, won't boot with recommendation to downgrade to a previous BIOS version. 

    Alienware 13 R2 System BIOS 1.11.0 Older Versions.jpg


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  • BasherWalls

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    Posted February 26th, 2021 10:00

    @crimsom 

    Dell pretty much washed their hands that this was ever a problem, also they flat out refused to help anyone who was out of warranty for their bad bios patch update.

    in short, they totally destroyed the Intel ME part and so downloaded update can fix it.

    Edit - found my how to. I have had to add a space after http as Dell don’t like to allow helpful links.

    notebookreview website

    threads

    intel-me-completely-offline

    its on page 11 of thread.

     

    I did fix it and posted a full how to on a notebook forum, I have since sold that laptop as I lost faith in Dell and Alienware.

    You do need programming tools to totally write directly to the Bios chip and flash the newer bios and Intel ME.

    You really cannot alter the Intel ME without the programmer.

    Dell totally messed up the update and then quickly deleted it and denied it ever existed.

    oh and Evidently if you try to downgrade as you suggested, you would see that the faults would still be there but on the lower firmware as Dell messed up the Intel me which obviously affected the shutdown system.

     

    I hope this answers your statements with some actual facts.

  • crimsom

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    Posted February 26th, 2021 11:00

    Hi @BasherWalls thank you for sharing update. 

    My interest is just user to user discussion, trying to help other users that apparently still have this problem, and are trying to find the Dell Solution. 


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