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September 3rd, 2008 04:00

Question about Clariion power specs

I'm trying to figure out how to read the specs.
For the processor enclosure I'm fine, but how to read it for a DAE ?
I mean: how can an empty DAE cost 440VA (425W) ?
Do I need to count the number of drives as well ?

I am told that a low power 1TB DAE is less performant and costs less than a high power model.

Or do I simply count the number of drives times the specs for each drive ? So 15 times 300GB15k is 15 x 18.8 Watt = 282 Watt... This differs about 160W with an enclosure.

Help.
  • gauge1

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    Posted September 3rd, 2008 09:00

    There is an EMC Power Calculator tool that allows one to model a detailed hardware config. Our experience has been that the kVA and BTU numbers it provides are very accurate and more representative of what you will see in the real world. I don't believe the tool is customer facing right now so you'll need to engage someone from EMC to work with you. I would recommend a SAM (Service Account Manager) if you have one OR a CE.
  • Allen Ward

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    Posted September 3rd, 2008 07:00

    My understanding has always been that the specs listed for the DAE were assuming a fully populated (worst case) situation. That is how we have configured and we haven't run into any issues.
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    Posted September 3rd, 2008 08:00

    That's what I thought, but what about the new low power 1TB 5k4 thingies ? I need to mention some number to the customer stating that he will indeed use up less power.... And when you look at the individual drives, there's no way I end up with 425W by multiplying the most power hungry drive by 15. So I assume the DAE itself is very power hungry itself as well.
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    Posted September 3rd, 2008 08:00

    Allen is right - the power spec mentioned in the specification is considering a fully populated enclosure with maximum consumption possible. Also note that, its not only the disks in the DAE but other components like Cooling Fans which require power as well.

    My 2 cents :)
    Cheers,
    Sandip
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    Posted September 3rd, 2008 09:00

    True - EMC Power Calculator is much helpful not only for CLARiiON but for all EMC hardware, but as you rightly mentioned it is not available to customers yet (as I know) - thus I have not mentioned it earlier. But thanks for mentioning it.
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    Posted September 3rd, 2008 20:00

    That internal power calculator is excellent. It shows you the power draw for each type of drive, typical, and maximum draw. I had to have EMC run it for my configuration because my fully populated rack was cabled from the factory using four PDUs with L6-30 plugs on them. I only had power for two circuits, so I needed to make sure that it would work with only two. Thankfully it was approved.

    In general, the faster the drive spins, the more power it requires. EMC uses multiple brands of disk, so each part number has a different power rating. One way that EMC is trying to sell the flash drives in the Symmetrix (and now CX4) is the $/IO and power/IO. You need 30 15k spindles to equal one flash drive, so you save on power, space and cooling all at once. Those 15k drives suck a lot of juice.
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    Posted September 3rd, 2008 22:00

    All, I tried the power calc and I must say: I'm impressed. I ran it last year, but somehow I ran into trouble and had to ask our account manager to produce some figures (which he did). Today's version runs great ! Thanks !

    PS I'm a partner, so I can download it
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    Posted September 4th, 2008 08:00

    Thanks for your feedback Rob - I am sure our engineers in the corporate will be pleased and happy to see this feedback :)

    By the way you could access is as you are partner, but it is not available for customers.

    Thanks,
    Sandip
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    Posted September 4th, 2008 09:00

    I forgot to mention shewitt's name - thanks for the great feedback on this tool "shewitt".
  • RRR

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    Posted September 7th, 2008 13:00

    I still would like to have Avamar put into the calculator as well.