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January 9th, 2012 14:00

NetApp FAS2240-2

Hello All,

Looking at the EqualLogic PS4100X and the NetApp FAS2240-2 for entry level SAN.  10k drives.  Pros and Cons to both solutions.  NetApp has some nices fetures such as CIFS, more Gig prorts per controller, can add disk arrays withgout adding controllers which reduces costs of expansion, etc.  Why should I choose the PS4100X over the FAS2240-2?

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    Posted January 11th, 2012 07:00

    Hi Matt,

    You’ve got some good responses from Don & other folks here.  I work for Dell’s EqualLogic product team (so I have my preference). Determining the right storage choice for any particular application probably warrants a more in-depth discussion with a systems/sales engineer, so a good bet would be to contact a Dell technical sales staff or that of a channel partner to discuss your specific needs.

    That said, when comparing the NetApp FAS2240, or any member of the FAS2000 family to EqualLogic, there are a number of factors to consider:

    • Scalability – to ensure enough capacity is available today and in the future EqualLogic can scale to over 700 drives in a single system by simply adding additional EqualLogic arrays without disrupting operations.

    • Flexibility and simplicity in configuration

    -Arrays of different drive type and size can be mixed in common pools, eliminating the burden of managing separate groups of drives organized by controller or drive type.

                      -EqualLogic’s tiering architecture delivers optimal utilization of heterogeneous drive technologies driving down overall TCO.  While NetApp advocates the use of flash cache as an alternative to tiering, this technology has a number of limitations compared to tiering and actually is not supported at all in the FAS2000 family.

    -When needed, performance can be increased with EqualLogic by simply adding arrays which brings to bear the additional power of both drives and controllers.  There is no need to perform disruptive controller upgrades as EqualLogic always balances the number of controllers and drives.

    • SAN or NAS or both – EqualLogic’s family includes the FS7500 Unified Storage Solution option which offers NAS (CIFS/NFS) connectivity for environments in which a SAN-only approach isn’t ideal.   Based on Dell’s Fluid File System, the FS7500 allows users to start with a SAN-only environment and expand to NAS as workflows dictate.  

    • Software licensing – EqualLogic’s all-inclusive approach to licensing drives down both upfront costs as well as on-going support expenses, lowering overall TCO.

    There are a couple other things I’ll mention. One is that in an EqualLogic customer satisfaction survey an analyst firm (The Yankee Group) runs for Dell, 93% of the customers that had both EqualLogic and NetApp installed would recommend EqualLogic.  The net of that, I’d recommend doing more of what you’re doing – talk to people who have had experience with both systems. I know a couple who’d probably be willing to talk 1-1 if you want.

    Many of our EqualLogic customers have opted to run Windows File Services out of a VM instead of deploying a NAS device. This is very common in our install base, as are the applications (SQL, Exchange) and  VMware you want to run on your storage device.

    To respond to some of your other comments about what you want.  “Quality, value, performance, "easy" management”- those are indeed right up EqualLogic’s alley. Ease of use is a bit of a religion for our engineering team.

    And yes, our systems can indeed dynamically (and manually if needed) migrate across members in the SAN.

    Good luck with your research.

    -Dylan

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    Posted January 19th, 2012 13:00

    Hello Matt,

    Benefits of Equallogic:

    1- Lower maintenance renewal cost and slower growth of renewal after 3rd year

    2- Easy to manage (although managing NetApp is not much harder)

    3- You can dynamically move Volumes from one member to the other (but as I understand you will be
    purchasing just one)

    4-Same software regardless which model you choose.

    5-More RAID configuration options and the option to change from faster RAIDs to Slower RAIDs to gain
    storage space.

    Benefits of NetApp:

    1- You can increase and decrease the size of volumes. (By Equallogic you can just increase)

    2- Smaller block size (4kb) in snapshots and replications (Equallogic has a 512KB block size).

    3- Deduplication (you will see the effect on files and Exchange 2010 databases but not on
    Exchange 2003 or SQL)

    4- Active /Active controllers better performance and in case you have to replace one, you
    do not need to be worry about loosing a connection to a host.

    5-SAN and NAS functionality.

    Now because I think this is your first SAN storage, please let me tell you a few things you
    did not ask:

    Better double the amount of storage you think you will need and calculate your needs for the
    next 5 years, after you have done so, never think about upgrading or expanding
    your storage and the reason why is because every year storage becomes more
    affordable and the technology changes, new arrays are introduced with better
    power efficiency, performance etc. The other reason is that the support renewal
    of SAN storage starts going up after 5 years, so replacing it becomes more
    beneficial.  Having one array will cost
    you one maintenance renewal and having two will cost you twice, so better keep
    your needs in one per location.

    All these said, we have had Equallogic for the past 5 years and have been very pleased with the
    support, performance and reliability. I have heard the same from NetApp.

    Ultimately each benefit I listed may or may not be important in your
    environment, for instance how many times you will need to decrease a volume
    size or how many time you will need to dynamically move a volume from one
    storage to the other, these are the real questions you can ask and then choose
    the solution that meets your requirements.

    Razmik Vartanian

     

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    Posted January 10th, 2012 06:00

    Is the NetApp a NAS system (as it supports CIFS)? If so, you cannot compare an Equallogic PS-series to this NetApp.

    If the NetApp is a NAS as well as a SAN it becomes a different story.

    Don (dwilliams62) will hopefully chime in, as he is one of the Equallogic engineers I think.

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    Posted January 10th, 2012 11:00

    Netapp started as a NAS but have evolved and provide SAN features such as FC and iscsi connectivety. The later offerings are switching to a SAS 6gb backend. They are based on a pc type motherboard with pci/pci-e slots and are upgradeable. The filler can be single or dual conroller and runs active/active.

    As for which is best, cant answer that one. it depends what you are expecting from the array, what you want to do with it in the future and always the biggie, price.

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    Posted January 10th, 2012 12:00

    Thank you all for your feedback.  I am also looking forward to feedback from some people hat have some more NetApp experience as well.

    I have come to some of the same conclusion that have been pointed out as strength \weaknesses of both products.  We will be using the SAN for Windows File Serving (if we choose EQL we will place a VM in front), lower IO SQL DB's, Exchange DB and maybe a few VM's.

    NetApp has the built in CIFS and seems like a greater variety of "features", which some must be licensed for at an additional cost.  Also, they have dedupliction which is beneficial although not as important for us right now.

    I am looking for quality, value, performance, "easy" management, and it would be nice to have CIFS built in as well.  Replication, deduplication will be more important in a year time frame.  I also want to migrate data across members without any downtime which might limit my options to EQL.

    I have also read that NetApp management is "harder" then EQL.  I am not exactly sure what that means, but one thing that was pointed out is that an Admin must configure the controllers separately which seems like a pain in the butt.

    Again, thank you all for you feedback.

    Matt

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    Posted January 11th, 2012 12:00

    I work with both Dell and Netapp as an authorised server partner, the main thing that i get involved with is the hardware break/fix. I am pleased to say that both support teams offer similar world class support. So which ever way you go, the support you'll get will be excellent.

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    Posted January 19th, 2012 13:00

    Hello Razmik and thanks for your reply!  I would like to again thank everybody who has replied.  I really appreciate the feedback.

    I chose to go with the Dell Equallogic.  Although NetApp has a good solution, with many features and from what I hear very good support we did not choose NetApp.  Biggest reasons were value (my perceived value), easy of management, all options included in a single license, firmware upgrade even without a support contract, Dell had 900G 10k drives in the 2.5" SAS form factor (Netapp did not) and easily expandable by racking more units.  I also liked the ability to migrate data across group members.

    The Dell Storage Rep did tell me that both controllers were active\active.  When I questioned this he did say that only 1 controller was delivering ethernet services but they were both load balancing disk managemnet functions and cache was mirror across controllers.  This does not sound like a true active\active to me.

    Having the SAN be a SAN and not provide other services made sence to me at this time.  We hope to receive delivery by Feb 1!

     

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    Posted January 19th, 2012 23:00

    Thank you for correcting me Don! appreciate it.

    Razmik