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TheSilverSurfer

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February 1st, 2005 19:00

Windows Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close - ntdll.dll

This all started to happen soon after I upgraded my Dell Latitude D600 (XP Pro) with an Internal DVD-RW from Dell.
 
Whenever I navigate in Windows Explorer (or attach a file in an email) I get the following error:
 
Windows Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close.
Details:
AppName: explorer.exe  AppVer: 6.0.2900.2180  ModName: ntdll.dll
ModVer: 5.1.2600.2180  Offset: 000106c3
 
It will happen every time if I go to a subdirectory 8 levels in as soon as I click on that subdirectory and it starts to list the files - the error pops up and Explorer restarts closing whatever I am in at the time.
 
I have tried everything I can think of, including a reparative install of Windows XP Pro. I have run sfc /scannow. I try to do regsvr32 ntdll.dll and I get the following error:
 
ntdll.dll was loaded, but the DllRegisterServer entry point was not found. The file can not be registered.
 
I have run Ad Aware SE, SpySweeper and Spybot (and even a TDS-3 full system scan). Spyware/virus is not the problem. Caches/temps are cleared, she defrags fine. This is a Dell Latitude 600m 1.6GHz 768MB.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
  • msil217

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    Posted February 1st, 2005 22:00

    Make sure you have the correct Driver for the DVD/RW.


    As far as Explorer Crashing:


    Common XP bug.
    This works for me:

    In Windows Explorer, go to tools--folder options--view (tab)

    in the list, check "launch folder windows in a separate process" OK

    This works when explorer crashes, and the taskbar disappears.

    This is a "patch" but not sure if it will help.

    Good luck!!

    Message Edited by msil217 on 02-01-2005 06:39 PM

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    Posted February 2nd, 2005 03:00

    Thanks for the suggestion, but all that changed was that now the Explorer Window disappears without the error popping up.
  • msil217

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    Posted February 2nd, 2005 08:00

    Sorry, that is all I can think of. You said the problem began with the install of the DVD/RW.

    Like I said, check for the appropriate driver for the DVD ROM.

    You could "Check" task manager and see if there is a problem, and possibly uninstall the driver and let Windows reinstall the correct driver.

    It might be possible that it is using the wrong driver. Also, you may get better advice at the CD/DVD devices forum. (Use the "Jump to a message board" drop-down list above right of this (or any) post.
  • dwyng

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    Posted February 4th, 2005 04:00

    try this, From the Start menu, select SEARCH, select ALL FILES and FOLDERS,
    select MORE ADVANCED OPTIONS, and place a checkmark beside SEARCH HIDDEN FILES and
    FOLDERS option, make sure that SEARCH System Folders and SEARCH Subfolders is also
    checked, In the ALL or part of the FILE NAME, TYPE ie.inf , In the LOOK in drop
    down menu, select C: or the letter of the Hard Drive that contains the WINDOWS
    Folder. Click the SEARCH button. In the Search Results Pane, find the ie.inf file
    located in WINDOWS\Inf Folder and right click the ie.inf file and INSTALL on the
    context menu.
    REBOOT the computer when the copy process is complete.

    Note: You will need your Windows XP CD Handy !
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    Posted February 4th, 2005 08:00

    Well, it was something I hadn't tried yet  . . . but unfortunately it didn't work.

    Thanks anyway.

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    Posted February 5th, 2005 12:00

    This is a nagging problem for me too.

    5 or 6 levels down if I open a folder containing jpg files Windows Explorer encounters an error and closes. Sometimes one or 2 jpgs in the 150kb range or sometimes a dozen smaller jpgs will cause the crash.

    ntdll.dll was also referenced and here's one error message...
    The instruction "0x7c93426d" - referenced memory at "0x00000000". The memory could not be "read". Click ok to terminate the program.

    (Work around 1)
    I found that running scandisk and defragging will allow me to open those folders once or twice then the problem starts again afterward.

    (Work around 2)
    What's really strange is if I copy the folder and place it a little higher up....only 3 or 4 levels down into the directory tree then I can open the folders with no problems at all.

    This occurs on my D: drive which is 2 SATA WD360GD Raptor's in a RAID 0 configuration.

    I've tried much of the same stuff as TheSilverSurfer to no avail. I also tried disabling WinXP SP2 DEP, (Data Execution Prevention), by editing the boot.ini and changing the /noexecute=optin parameter to /noexecute=allwaysoff. That didn't work.

    I'm beginning to wonder if its a bug in the implementation of...
    1) SATA
    2) RAID 0
    3) One of the Windows Security patches.

    Anyway, its a puzzler. Anybody have any more suggestions? Next thing I'm going to try is dumping the RAID 0 array and see if that changes anything.

    Later, Conrad
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    Posted February 5th, 2005 21:00

    Thanks for the input of you experience Conrad.

    I don't think it is a SATA or RAID issue as I have neither on this laptop.

    I am leaning towards the problem with a Service Pack idea.

    I have been reading tons of threads on similar problems.  The ones that make any sense are pointing to a few service packs (that may even "upgrade" ntdll.dll).

    I have seen threads pointing to Q815021 as the update that caused the problem.  I had installed this as part of a combined upgrade and uninstalling that did not help me.

    Several people posted that the problem comes back after a repartition and reformat/reinstall. 

    It seems that the only way to be certain is going to be the following (since we don't have any conclusive help from Microsoft/Dell yet: 

    Blow out the partition -

    Reformat and reinstall Windows -

    Install the Windows Updates ONE AT A TIME RESTARTING AFTER EACH ONE (this should take about a week, especially since we cannot use the usual "Roll-up" combined upgrades).

    I hate being on the forefront of a problem.  It is much easier to use the finally admitted solution from Microsoft or the OEM.  It is a much bigger pain being in the role of trying to force that admittion/solution.  UGH!

     

     

  • dwyng

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    Posted February 5th, 2005 22:00

    I did a search for ntdll.dll and it appears to be in Service Pack 2. Hope that helps.

    Open IE , Try going to Tools, Manage Add-ons and disable browser helper objects or Active X

     

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    Posted February 6th, 2005 00:00

    dwyng,

    Thanks for the thought but that didn't work.

    Where does Windows XP store the icon cache? You used to be able to delete the iconcache file in Win98.

    I've found now that if I use Windows Search - All Files and Folders - for *icon* or *gif* it also crashes, just like Windows Explorer, when it starts searching my D drive. It doesn't crash when I search for *jpg* or when I search for a file in the folders that keep crashing. This is puzzling.

    ACDSee also crashes when you access some folders with images 6 layers deep.

    I've got DriveImage backups and when I've got time I'll restore back to the period before I installed all the Windows Update Security patches to see if that makes a difference.

    Later, Conrad

     

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    Posted February 6th, 2005 01:00

    Conrad,

    The IconCache.db file is what you are looking for (usually in  /Documents and Settings/Username/Local Settings/Application Data).

    Good thought - did not work for me.  Hopefully it will help you.