XPS 420 with Vista 32 bit hangs when loading desktop-- please help?
Hello
I am having a problem starting my computer. It loads fine up until it asks for the account user login. When I log in, the desktop starts to load and then freezes. I can see a 'greyed out' desktop, sometimes some icons and sometimes not. I can see from the lights on my box that the keyboard and mouse have loaded but I can't use either of them. There are no 'code lights' for hardware failure.
I'm left with no option but to hold the power button down and restart that way. This wreaks havoc with my RAID mirror configuration (yeah, bad choice, I know, but if I break the RAID, Dell says it my warrantee will not support it) which takes around 4 hours to re-verify.
I have called Dell three times now and they have done hardware diagnostics and are confident I have no virus (I have Norton Security and Antivirus) and we have done 2 Factory Image reinstalls. In both instances, these have worked up until I have downloaded and installed updates from Windows with my Windows Automatic Update. I believe in both instances, the updates came through the week of November 25th and are the updates to the help files for Microsoft Office and 3 Vista Security Updates.
The last time it happened, I had shut the computer down before going away and turned it back on on the 27th when I came home after doing the first Factory Reinstall. It worked fine.. absolutely fine until it downloaded these updates again and then froze on startup. This time I was able to go into Safe Mode (the last time even that didn't work) and restore to a system check point earlier in the day.
It has now restarted and is working fine, just I notice it's using a bit more RAM than I'm used to seeing.. 40% plus ralther than the 25-35% before. I have reloaded (again) hours worth of photos and music and frankly, am afraid to shut it down.
My questions are these:
Has anybody had this problem with updates? If so, which ones and what to do about it? I have my Auto Update shut OFF right now but realise that I can't not download security updates, but which ones?
Dell XPS support have been very good and have worked through the problem with me even to the point of calling me back right when they say they will (they have obviously been taking suggestions as to their tech support) and being clear and understandable but they say that since this is probably not a hardware problem, they want me to phone the software support line and pay a fee. Has anyone used this?
Are there any logs or events I can look at to help me suss this out? It seems Vista has enough stuff monitored so that I should..
Can anyone help? I am reasonably good with computers, but the last one I took apart and messed with the innards was Windows 3.1, some of this has gone past me..
Thanks
Liz
PS Here are my specs
Dell 420XPS running Windows Vista Home Premium 32 bit 4GB dual channel DDR2 667MHZ [4x 1024] 500G Data Safe local hard drive DVD+/-RW 16x max and DVD 16x reader 20" wide flat panel monitor Single 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800GTX Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer PCI soundcard TV Tuner and AVIO Accelerator Internal V.92 PCI Data Fax modem Speedtouch 330 external USB broadband modem Norton Internet Security Adobe Reader 7.0.8 MS Office 2007 Home and Student Standard mouse keyboard and speakers
I am just posting to let you know that the problems I have had with my computer were related to a Windows Update.
After Factory Image reinstalled last time, I set Windows Update to look for new updates but NOT to download and install them until I told it to. I then found a very kind soul on the Vista64.com forum who advised me that it was not necessary to install all the downloads that were llisted. I went to Windows Update and hid the updates I didn't want, then downloaded and installed the rest without a problem. I installed them one by one and created a Restore Point before each. I can shut down, restart, log off and log on, no probs. My old computer is back!
One of the posts that was mentioned was KB955839 for Windows Server 2008 a clock adjustment and has been reported as causing major startup problems ie KB955839 will not install.
IMHO the likely other suspects were a bunch of Office updates that showed up around the beginning of November and then again after my first reinstall.
My computer, i am happy to say so far, is very happy. My next project is waiting for SP1 to pop up and then to reinstall THAT.
I am posting in hopes that this will help someone with a similiar problem.
This sounds to me like a problem with that specific update. Until MS releases an update to it, the best option is to just not load it.
While disabling Auto-Update is one way to do this, my personal recommendation would be to change the Auto-Update setting to let you know when updates are available so you can pick which ones to load. This does put more "work" in your lap for keeping the system up to date, however, it also allows you to view the list of updates to be installed and de-select the one that is causing the problem.
Thanks for your reply. I have already shut off the Auto Update and told it to just tell me if there are updates and let me decide whether or not to download them. So far, since my Factory Restore last week, the computer is running ok.. just using more system resources than usual.
Having said that, I have not shut it down and restarted since. I am afraid if I do, the same thing will happen and I won't be able to do anything about it..
Dell says they have a premium service for troubleshooting software. Have you heard of this service and do you think it might help if I have further problems?
Thanks for your reply.. it's good to know I am not alone!
I have spoken to Dell about the RAID issue and they say they will not support 'breaking' the array, so being concerned about my warrantee, I've left it as is. I do remember though, that way back when I first had the computer I had to call Dell for a separate issue and in the process of that conversation they Remote Accessed my computer and downloaded the update to the Intel Matrix Storage Manager (version 7.8) which is what popped up when my RAID array needs reverifying. Do you think that might help?
Thanks
Liz
PS Same question for you as for Larry.. have you ever used the Dell Premium Software Tech support?
Unfortunately, I know it exists, but don't really have any information beyond that as I left tech support for my current position before that support option was created.
I am not aware of any "defect" with the RAID capabilities on that system. If I'm understanding the problem you ran into correctly, the data corruption could be caused by the motherboard, the system memory, the hard drives or their onboard cache, in addition to the RAID controller itself. By switching to a separate RAID controller card and drive you have shown the problem is most likely not with the remaining common components: the motherboard and memory. That still leaves the hard drives (one or both) and the original RAID controller as a possible cause of the problem.
Hello Peppurr101, I have called Dell XPS support, Dell chat, emailed Dell support, mailed Dell Corporate in Texas, escalated the issue, and Dell simply refuses to admit to this defect.
Dell escalation response to me was they had no issues with the Raid arrays on the XPS 420.
So to satisfy myself that Dell was indeed correct, I purchased the add-on card and the corruption went away.
I installed an add-on 4 port SATA Raid card to verify that the controller chipset or drivers are the issue.
When configured in a Raid0 array with the add-on card, the corruption does not appear.
I didn't like the idea of using the add-on card so I removed it and purchased a WD VelociRaptor 300 GB drive and the performance is almost as good as the Raid0 array on the add-on card.
I know of no way to get around this issue except to do as I did, and buy a fast single drive and perform a fresh install.
This solved my data corruption and gives me almost the same performance.
Hello DELL-Larry R, I appreciate you response. I had the very same issue on three different XPS 420 systems.
I used three different sets of drives from three different manufactuers, WD, Seagate, Maxtor, all the same models of each manufacurer.
I even changed the memory from the original modules to another name brand, certified to work in this system.
I did many hardware test and none found any defective hardware.
At two points, Dell took control of the system and walked me through the installation of a Raid0 array, as if I didn't know how to do it, and it still failed.
Dell then took control of the system and went to the Dell web site and downloaded the proper drivers and installed them, as if I didn't know how to do this. At one point the system would not boot after Dell installed the drivers.
I had to do a last known configuration boot in order to get back to the desktop.
I have removed all the drives and installed them in other Raid0 systems without issues.
I, nor Dell, were ever able to get these XPS 420 systems to work in a Raid0 array without data corruption.
I finally gave up, after 9 months of dealing with this, and failing to get Dell to do anything about it, and installed a single hard drive, and the system works perfectly.
The original Raid controller is the onboard Intel x38 chipset. It would not let me update the latest drivers for this chipset, as indicated by the system lockup when Dell tried to install them.
Thank you for your replies. Unfortunately, though I can get around a computer fairly well, some of this is over my head.
Hanspuppa, when you had your problems with the RAID configuration, were there problems with running the machine or just on startup? The thing is, I've had my box up and running for a week now with absolutely no problems at all whatsoever. I am just afraid to shut it off. My problem seems to stem from Automatic Updates as far as I can figure out. When it freezes on startup and I have to hold the power button down to shut it off, if it successfully starts it rebuilds the Array-once that is done it seems to be fine. It was fine after the first Factory Image Restore up until I downloaded the updates..
Larry, Vista seems to have a lot of bells and whistles to monitor performance and reliablilty, is there somewhere I can look for information about what happens during startup so if there is a problem again I will know what to look for?
Second question. Back when I first got the machine, I had an issue that had something to do with the Intel Matrix Storage manager. A Dell techie remote accessed me and downloaded the upgrade from 7.6 to 7.8. I had no problems after that until now.
The only other issues are occasional error messages in my event monitor that says my 'spooler failed to open a connection' which is probably because I don't h ave a printer installed and my Roxio Easy Media Creator refuses to open since my Image restore because it thinks the certificate is missing or corrupted.
I know this seems a bit random, but my next option is to call the Dell Premium software line and pay for support. I want to see if there is anything more I can find here..
Peppurr101
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Posted January 2nd, 2009 15:00
Gerrado, Hanspuppa and Dell Larry-R
Thank you for your responses to my post.
I am just posting to let you know that the problems I have had with my computer were related to a Windows Update.
After Factory Image reinstalled last time, I set Windows Update to look for new updates but NOT to download and install them until I told it to. I then found a very kind soul on the Vista64.com forum who advised me that it was not necessary to install all the downloads that were llisted. I went to Windows Update and hid the updates I didn't want, then downloaded and installed the rest without a problem. I installed them one by one and created a Restore Point before each. I can shut down, restart, log off and log on, no probs. My old computer is back!
One of the posts that was mentioned was KB955839 for Windows Server 2008 a clock adjustment and has been reported as causing major startup problems ie KB955839 will not install.
IMHO the likely other suspects were a bunch of Office updates that showed up around the beginning of November and then again after my first reinstall.
My computer, i am happy to say so far, is very happy. My next project is waiting for SP1 to pop up and then to reinstall THAT.
I am posting in hopes that this will help someone with a similiar problem.
Thank you guys again.
Peppurr101